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Old 09-14-2019, 10:16 AM
 
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A friend of mine who works at FCA HQ in Auburn Hills Michigan says that the Charger is being discontinued at the end of 2019. But they are going to be bringing a new Dodge Demon that’s going to be faster than the original one.
Hope they have something ready to replace it. It’s platform is the basis for the Challenger and 300. The Dodge Journey is based upon the same platform as the previous Dodge Avenger/Chrysler Sebring. If this continues then Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep will be no coupes, sedans, nor hatchbacks. Just trucks, SUVs, crossovers, and vans. While that’s not so bad right now, they’ll be in a very tough spot if the market shifts away from this crossovers and SUVs back to traditional cars.
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Old 09-14-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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Sure, but aren’t most of them extremely high end makers coveted by the wealthy willing to pay the company’s asking price?
It doesn’t matter. All you need to do is make a profit on one car.
I find it funny when people use the number of different models as a measure of success given that historically brands have failed because they had too many models.

Either way, it doesn’t matter because all FCA vehicles are Chryslers. The fact that one vehicle has a Chrysler logo and one has a Jeep logo is meaningless from a cash flow standpoint.
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Old 09-14-2019, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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I would say Chrysler (as FCA) is now dead on the 4-cylinder powered vehicles. The previous 2.4L World was the most-successful and reliable 4-cylinder engine Chrysler could ever put out and offer to customers. Future is now bleak...

Without Hyundai and Mitsubishi alliance this time, Chrysler changed into 2.4L Tigershark going from DOHC into SOHC valvetrain using Fiat's multiair technology, and reliability fall down the cliff, in addition to less-power now due to SOHC instead of DOHC, making the engine work harder and wear out faster.

The 2014+ Jeep Cherokee and 2018+ Jeep Compass are some of the most troublesome new vehicles you can buy today, with no fix completely yet.
As to the Cherokee, is that all because of Tigershark engine issues, or are there other problems as well (that you won't avoid by getting a V-6)?
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Out of curiosity I went to the Chrysler site and only saw the 300 and the van and nothing to show any future products, not even concept vehicles. Dodge is a bit better but not by much. Dodge has the Challenger, Charger, Durango, Journey, and the van. After that comes the Ram division. There is also nothing indicating any new or possible future products. It’s as if Chrysler/Dodge have become niche brands going stale while everything is focused on Jeep alone.
They are definitely in some trouble. I went to a public website that tracks US car sales, and saw that over the last 15 years:
1. Chrysler sales have fallen from about 500,000 units annually to about 170,000 units
2. Dodge sales have fallen from about 1,00,000 units annually to about 500,000 units
3. Jeep is actually improving, increasing from about 450,000 units annually to nearly 1,000,000 units
4. Ram (pickups) have fluctuated a lot, but are about level overall over this period, selling about 450,000 units

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US Car Sales Data - carsalesbase.com
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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They are definitely in some trouble. I went to a public website that tracks US car sales, and saw that over the last 15 years:
1. Chrysler sales have fallen from about 500,000 units annually to about 170,000 units
2. Dodge sales have fallen from about 1,00,000 units annually to about 500,000 units
3. Jeep is actually improving, increasing from about 450,000 units annually to nearly 1,000,000 units
4. Ram (pickups) have fluctuated a lot, but are about level overall over this period, selling about 450,000 units

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US Car Sales Data - carsalesbase.com
Most Chrysler and Dodge sales historically have been low margin fleet sales. Dropping those sales and picking up higher margin sales aren’t necessarily a bad thing.
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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Hope they have something ready to replace it. It’s platform is the basis for the Challenger and 300. The Dodge Journey is based upon the same platform as the previous Dodge Avenger/Chrysler Sebring. If this continues then Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep will be no coupes, sedans, nor hatchbacks. Just trucks, SUVs, crossovers, and vans. While that’s not so bad right now, they’ll be in a very tough spot if the market shifts away from this crossovers and SUVs back to traditional cars.
I doubt there’s a desire for traditional cars anytime soon. There’s just no longer a reason to buy them.
They ride lower, don’t necessarily get better mileage, and have less cargo. Modern trucks and SUVs have done too good of a job of offering more versatility without the compromises that drove people to sedans.
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Old 09-14-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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A friend of mine who works at FCA HQ in Auburn Hills Michigan says that the Charger is being discontinued at the end of 2019. But they are going to be bringing a new Dodge Demon that’s going to be faster than the original one.
Not so on Edmunds. Who's right?

https://www.edmunds.com/dodge/charger/2020/
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Old 09-14-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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As to the Cherokee, is that all because of Tigershark engine issues, or are there other problems as well (that you won't avoid by getting a V-6)?
The V6 Cherokee is more-reliable than the 4-cylinder. Most of Cherokee sales has 4-cylinder in it.
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Old 09-15-2019, 09:52 AM
 
Location: NY
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Chrysler brand is supposed to be reinvented into a "people mover" brand, whatever that means. Not a lot of detail, but there seems to be some credible rumors that the Chrysler brand is going to start getting some crossovers after the new generation Grand Cherokee (and new 3 row Jeep SUV/CUV) hit the market. That should happen in a year or so, when their new Detroit factory gets built.

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A friend of mine who works at FCA HQ in Auburn Hills Michigan says that the Charger is being discontinued at the end of 2019. But they are going to be bringing a new Dodge Demon that’s going to be faster than the original one.
He may have the vehicle it mixed up. The 2020 Charger is getting a new wide-body version and is now in production. It's not going anywhere. The insiders on Allpar and Mopar Insiders have it that the 300 is the large car going away. Work on the next generation Charger and Challenger is moving along.
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Old 09-15-2019, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Not so on Edmunds. Who's right?

https://www.edmunds.com/dodge/charger/2020/
I think my friend who actually works at FCA world headquarters as a engineer should know better than a magazine.
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