Shouldn't Cincinnati and Dayton be counted as one metro area? (Columbus: airplanes, to move)

[jjakucyk]

The development along I-75 isn't really all that impressive to be perfectly honest. It's actually pretty minimal, but since it's concentrated around the highway, that's all you generally notice.

The way I view it is more like the various industrial cities between Cincinnati and Dayton (Hamilton, Middletown, Franklin, and Miamisburg) have sprawled a bit on their own, aided somewhat by I-75 being on their periphery. If those cities had not been there in the first place (and so far their presence hasn't suggested that Cincinnati and Dayton are a single metroplex), or if I-75 was another few miles east, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. If there was a nearly unbroken mass of sprawl from I-75 east to Morrow, Lebanon, and Waynesville, then I think we'd have something, but as it is that's still mostly country, and will likely remain so save for the immediate I-75 corridor.

[progmac]

Originally Posted by jjakucyk

The development along I-75 isn't really all that impressive to be perfectly honest. It's actually pretty minimal, but since it's concentrated around the highway, that's all you generally notice.

The way I view it is more like the various industrial cities between Cincinnati and Dayton (Hamilton, Middletown, Franklin, and Miamisburg) have sprawled a bit on their own, aided somewhat by I-75 being on their periphery. If those cities had not been there in the first place (and so far their presence hasn't suggested that Cincinnati and Dayton are a single metroplex), or if I-75 was another few miles east, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. If there was a nearly unbroken mass of sprawl from I-75 east to Morrow, Lebanon, and Waynesville, then I think we'd have something, but as it is that's still mostly country, and will likely remain so save for the immediate I-75 corridor.

this is a good point. for most of us, all we ever see of butler county is what is within a few hundred feet of i-75. if we could ask a bird what he thought of butler county, he would probably say, "it's farmland."

[wrightflyer]

Originally Posted by jjakucyk

The development along I-75 isn't really all that impressive to be perfectly honest. It's actually pretty minimal, but since it's concentrated around the highway, that's all you generally notice.

The way I view it is more like the various industrial cities between Cincinnati and Dayton (Hamilton, Middletown, Franklin, and Miamisburg) have sprawled a bit on their own, aided somewhat by I-75 being on their periphery. If those cities had not been there in the first place (and so far their presence hasn't suggested that Cincinnati and Dayton are a single metroplex), or if I-75 was another few miles east, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. If there was a nearly unbroken mass of sprawl from I-75 east to Morrow, Lebanon, and Waynesville, then I think we'd have something, but as it is that's still mostly country, and will likely remain so save for the immediate I-75 corridor.

Very true. It's also in the way housing developments away from I-75 tend to become less and less dense. Eventually, there is nothing but farms and 5-10 acre tract homes. Even in a place like Warren County along its border with Clinton, it is still very rural.

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by jjakucyk

The development along I-75 isn't really all that impressive to be perfectly honest. It's actually pretty minimal, but since it's concentrated around the highway, that's all you generally notice.

The way I view it is more like the various industrial cities between Cincinnati and Dayton (Hamilton, Middletown, Franklin, and Miamisburg) have sprawled a bit on their own, aided somewhat by I-75 being on their periphery. If those cities had not been there in the first place (and so far their presence hasn't suggested that Cincinnati and Dayton are a single metroplex), or if I-75 was another few miles east, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. If there was a nearly unbroken mass of sprawl from I-75 east to Morrow, Lebanon, and Waynesville, then I think we'd have something, but as it is that's still mostly country, and will likely remain so save for the immediate I-75 corridor.

And if I-75 was a few more miles west?

[deg1114]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

And if I-75 was a few more miles west?

I think where the highway is - especially on/off ramps, you are going to have some sort of business or growth. Most of the deveopment around 75 is partly because a town was already there but a lot of it you have to credit to the Interstate being there. If it was a little further West, Hamilton would most likely be the same city it was before the Interstate system and not a shell of what used to be.

[cincity]

My Cincy-Dayton experience:

1) I-75 North of Cincy.....boring Americana, MacMansion, cookie cutter apts. Then nothing.
2) Whoa, Pre-Burnt Jesus! Calling Fair Catch...
3) Outskirts of Dayton....coolest building in the land - The dayton newspaper bldg. So that's why Hal McCoy never left for the big city
4) Dayton. WTF. Makes Lexington look hopping. Nice 2 block area where there's 3 bars/restaurnats putting on airs. Reminds me of towns with 40K populations.

I suspect Daytonians like it that way, and bless 'em. But no way no how is Dayton a part of Cincinnati. West Chester is stretching it. They can have em.

[PhillytoCincy]

I guess I look at it this way. Look at other metroplexes that have sprawled together. You look at Dallas-Fort Worth, Miami to West Palm, and I don't give it long before Austin and San Antonio grow together. I large part it's all thanks to the interstate systems that have helped encourage sprawl. Miami to West Palm sprawls all the way to Stuart and then some. Look at the BosWash corridor. They all practically have merged as one. The interstate system has advanced sprawl and merging more than anything.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by cincity

My Cincy-Dayton experience:

You need to get off the freeways and the main drags and explore a little. Wake up and smell the Milano's!

[VideoEngineerAJS]

Originally Posted by cincity

My Cincy-Dayton experience:

1) I-75 North of Cincy.....boring Americana, MacMansion, cookie cutter apts. Then nothing.
2) Whoa, Pre-Burnt Jesus! Calling Fair Catch...
3) Outskirts of Dayton....coolest building in the land - The dayton newspaper bldg. So that's why Hal McCoy never left for the big city
4) Dayton. WTF. Makes Lexington look hopping. Nice 2 block area where there's 3 bars/restaurnats putting on airs. Reminds me of towns with 40K populations.

I suspect Daytonians like it that way, and bless 'em. But no way no how is Dayton a part of Cincinnati. West Chester is stretching it. They can have em.

I don't know about that. Lexington is a nice place, but you can tell it's not quite a prime time large city (I'm assuming you are talking about Lexington, KY). That's not to say that Dayton can compete with the likes of Cincinnati or Columbus, but I'd say it's a bit better than Lexington, unless you are big into horse racing.

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

You need to get off the freeways and the main drags and explore a little. Wake up and smell the Milano's!

OK, next City-Data meetup's at Milano's. But only if Ohiogirl81 will come!