Cincinnati is becoming second fiddle to Columbus (Dayton, Warren: homes, taxes)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Columbus has an elite arena. I've been in NHL/NBA arenas in Denver, Washington DC, Anaheim, Tampa, Indy and Cleveland, and Nationwide is the nicest I've ever seen. And that's saying something because Indy's is amazing.

Yeah, it's just too bad they have a high school team.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Yeah, it's just too bad they have a high school team.

You guys can continue to slug it out, though I fail to see any material positive result from it.

Let's see how well the sports establishment in Indy does now that Peyton has been severed. I do believe if I was faced with a $28 Mil payment to a quarterback who may go down with the first actual hit I would select what the Colt's owner did. If I was Peyton with the money he has made I would elect to walk away and say I want to be around to enjoy my family. But he will not, he will try and get on with another team. Why, because jocks like him just do not when to retire.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

You guys can continue to slug it out, though I fail to see any material positive result from it.

Let's see how well the sports establishment in Indy does now that Peyton has been severed. I do believe if I was faced with a $28 Mil payment to a quarterback who may go down with the first actual hit I would select what the Colt's owner did. If I was Peyton with the money he has made I would elect to walk away and say I want to be around to enjoy my family. But he will not, he will try and get on with another team. Why, because jocks like him just do not when to retire.

? I was talking about the Columbus Blue Jackets.

And you're right, they don't. Brett Favre comes to mind.

[progmac]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

I actually went once to Mexico City with my mom to visit some of her relatives in nearby Tlaxcala. Unfortunately, I was a young teenager (13ish) who really didn't appreciate at all the trip or the experience of going to places such as Puebla, Cuernavaca, Taxco and Acapulco. I also remember the year was 1985, and MC had a huge earthquake not long after we were there. The hotel we stayed in didn't survive. I would really love to do that trip again - I'd have a much different perspective.

People, people. Let's get this thread back on topic and discuss more about Mexico City.

A north american city founded in the 1300s...there has to be so much to see and do. Has anyone here driven (in lieu of flying) there or past it? Google maps says it is 34 hours - about the same as driving to LA

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

You guys can continue to slug it out, though I fail to see any material positive result from it.

Let's see how well the sports establishment in Indy does now that Peyton has been severed. I do believe if I was faced with a $28 Mil payment to a quarterback who may go down with the first actual hit I would select what the Colt's owner did. If I was Peyton with the money he has made I would elect to walk away and say I want to be around to enjoy my family. But he will not, he will try and get on with another team. Why, because jocks like him just do not when to retire.

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[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

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The whole overlap concerning Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland while wrapping in comparisons to Indy, Detroit, etc. is just not productive.

My comment about Peyton is he held up the entire franchise for over a dozen years. Now that he is gone let's see how fast their ownership manages to replace him. I predict the people of Indy will be hollering for his scalp just like Cincy does for Mike Brown. The Pacers may be worse off. My point is, the professional sports teams of Indy, Cincinnati, and Cleveland all have similar problems with their market.

And Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland all have similar problems with their economy and growth. But trying to push Cincy and Dayton together as one economic region just to boost numbers is not going to change a lot. They are 50 miles apart. I may live long enough to see a unified economic front between the two, but I doubt it.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by progmac

People, people. Let's get this thread back on topic and discuss more about Mexico City.

A north american city founded in the 1300s...there has to be so much to see and do. Has anyone here driven (in lieu of flying) there or past it? Google maps says it is 34 hours - about the same as driving to LA

I would definitely not drive. Besides the border issues, most highways in Mexico are toll, and you'd spend a lot more driving beyond just gas. It'd end up being as expensive as flying, not to mention wasting an entire day+ that you could be seeing the city. There are more museums in Mexico City, for example, than any other city in the world.

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

The whole overlap concerning Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland while wrapping in comparisons to Indy, Detroit, etc. is just not productive.

My comment about Peyton is he held up the entire franchise for over a dozen years. Now that he is gone let's see how fast their ownership manages to replace him. I predict the people of Indy will be hollering for his scalp just like Cincy does for Mike Brown. The Pacers may be worse off. My point is, the professional sports teams of Indy, Cincinnati, and Cleveland all have similar problems with their market.

And Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland all have similar problems with their economy and growth. But trying to push Cincy and Dayton together as one economic region just to boost numbers is not going to change a lot. They are 50 miles apart. I may live long enough to see a unified economic front between the two, but I doubt it.

The Downtowns are 50 miles apart, but not the metro's and inbetween's. There are some CSA's like Sacramento where a city in it's CSA is 100 miles away.

[kjbrill]

I never had the opportunity to go to MC, not that I regret it. My most frequent visits to Mexico were to Torreon in Central Mexico, what I consider one of the truely Hell-Holes of the world. My reason for being there was several US companies established manufacturing plants for cheaper labor and I was there to install machinery they purchased from my company.

My first visit there I was booked by our local representative into what he said was the best hotel in town. I have no doubt it probably was. When I checked in, I noted the lobby was made out of quite ornate marbel. But in the corners were piles of dirt and debris. After being shown to my room, I realized there was no way to decipher the mess of the electrical switches. No labels to make any sense out of, a disarray of switches incomprehensible to interpret. The next morning I realized there was a terrible smell permeating the room.

After awhile I suddenly realized what was going on. When they built the hotel, there were no traps installed in the various drains to the sewer. So the sewer gases would just back up into the rooms, and leave you gagging.

I had my fill of Mexico and am sorry for the people who succeeded me when I retired as they are still going back.

[jmecklenborg]

We have the WWII generation to thank for the mediocrity of Cincinnati 1950-2000, and the central issue has been transportation. They were the ones who allowed the airport to be built in Kentucky instead of Warren or Butler Counties, who squandered our unfinished subway system, and who paved over our fabulous streetcar network. Any criticism is met with the hissing of a million elderly cobras.

If Cincinnati, Dayton, and Warren + Butler Counties formed a governing agency like a port authority, then we could raise the $5-10 billion necessary to undo what our grandparents did. Specifically, construct a new airport near the Lebanon prison and link it with downtown Dayton and downtown Cincinnati with a rapid transit line.