Cincinnati is becoming second fiddle to Columbus (Cleveland, Toledo: transplants, neighborhoods)

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Why is the discussion of metropolitan combination so focused on connected development? The Northeast corridor is a prime example of several metros connected by development that remain separate. If connected development was the only factor, NYC would've swallowed Philadelphia to Boston.

Probably for the same reasons that two newly-weds are so focused on being connected...

[TomJones123]

It's not just connected development. There are a lot of people who live in one area and work in another.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by motorman

Probably for the same reasons that two newly-weds are so focused on being connected...

But that's not the only requirement, so I don't get why people keep bringing that up as if it should be obvious that that's why they should be one metro.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

Honestly who drives or takes a train from Boston to Philadelphia every day?

Probably no one, since NYC would be the center of the metro in my example. In any case, the point was that connected development does not equate to a single metro.

[jmecklenborg]

>Yes, you should definitely undue what your grandparents and parents did. They only created the greatest county and economic engine in the history of the planet.

Postwar America benefitted mightily from the destruction of Japan and much of Europe, the nonsense going on in the Soviet Union, and Mao's takeover of China. The United States essentially had no competition for 30-40 years. Now it does, and the young people are stuck paying hundreds of thousands in medical bills apiece for old people who only put $100,000 into Medicare over their lifetimes.

Look around -- America in 2012 is one spoiled landscape after another, one crappy city after another, a nation in which the majority don't get any exercise at all. This is mostly because of the auto and oil companies hijacking the federal government back in the 1950s and remaking America in their favor -- so that everyone NEEDS a car.


>We need a combined Cincinnati/Dayton airport in Monroe like we need a hole in the head. Show us any study from a reputable organization as to why such an airport would generate more of an economic impact, regardless of the fact it would be a drain on the whole area for years to come.

Oh please -- the benefits are too numerous to list here.


>A little thing like the Great Depression stopped the subway. I guess you would like to say it should have been avoided?

No, it didn't. I wrote the book on Cincinnati's subway -- I'm sick of talking about it at this point. And the Depression was avoidable, as was this most recent economic collapse.


>So just how would a combined Port Authority generate the necessary funds to undue the transportation mistakes you contemplate. Is that not just another name for taxes?

Yes, we need significantly higher taxes locally and at the state level in order to get around federal match requirements. Specifically, if you want a federal match, you need to do it how they want it to be done, and that often *is not* what is best. That was the case for the interstate highways and it's the case now for rail.

So if Cincinnati and Dayton want to build a $2 billion rapid transit line between them, with the expectation of getting $500 million in federal money, the process is delayed by years and must be done to FTA standards. If we raise all the money ourselves, we can fire up the heavy equipment and start building tomorrow at daybreak.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

We have the WWII generation to thank for the mediocrity of Cincinnati 1950-2000, and the central issue has been transportation. They were the ones who allowed the airport to be built in Kentucky instead of Warren or Butler Counties, who squandered our unfinished subway system, and who paved over our fabulous streetcar network. Any criticism is met with the hissing of a million elderly cobras.

If Cincinnati, Dayton, and Warren + Butler Counties formed a governing agency like a port authority, then we could raise the $5-10 billion necessary to undo what our grandparents did. Specifically, construct a new airport near the Lebanon prison and link it with downtown Dayton and downtown Cincinnati with a rapid transit line.

Here here!

Old Cincinnati is thankfully losing its grip on this region. And they're not happy about it - wailing, moaning and gnashing their teeth at every investment, reclamation, renovation and fix that we make in the city they long ago turned their back on.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

State government won't even help Columbus get mass transit, so why would they support it anywhere else?

If by state government you mean Gov. John Kasich, you're right. He'll do everything in his power, unfortunately, to keep rail out of Ohio. Thankfully he lost his battle with the city of Cincinnati.

Three more years.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Why is the discussion of metro combination so focused on connected development? The Northeast corridor is a prime example of several metros connected by development that remain separate. If connected development was the only factor, NYC would've swallowed Philadelphia to Boston.

Surely you understand the folly in comparing the northeast corridor with the rest of the country?

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Surely you understand the folly in comparing the northeast corridor with the rest of the country?

It's almost, if not, a straw man.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

It's almost, if not, a straw man.

Well--when you consider the source of the objection--sure it is! Any ploy to minimize, degrade, and deny the reality or importance of the "Cin-Day Corridor" will do. We've played this game many a time before, TomJones123. Don't be too surprised to soon be reading pages of the specific and rigid requirements of MSA's (and why Cin-Day fails them, of course). It's all in the game, i.e., the game of love/hate between the 3-C's...