Cincinnati is becoming second fiddle to Columbus (Dayton, Kent: appointed, university)

[TomJones123]

Ah, again, back to the Census Bureaus infallibility. Yet, I will concede that it's "technically" not, though for all intents and purposes the metroplex exists, even if not on paper. You have the opinion that it's not in existence at all because the Census hasn't said so yet. It's all good. It is what it is.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Not in terms of meeting metro designation with connected development, no. NYC is by far the dominant city in that corridor, and an urbanized corridor stretches from there to Philly and up through Boston. That's the only comparison I was making, seeing that people here say that connected development should equate to a Cincinnati-Dayton metro.

Well then, using your dismissive logic, perhaps we should re-examine whether Dallas-Forth Worth (38-mile separation), Seattle-Tacoma (34-mile separation), Washington-Baltimore (40-mile separation, more than 1-hour drive) and Reno-Tahoe (43 miles, more than 1-hour drive) are singular metros themselves.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Well then, using your dismissive logic, perhaps we should re-examine whether Dallas-Forth Worth (38-mile separation), Seattle-Tacoma (34-mile separation), Washington-Baltimore (40-mile separation, more than 1-hour drive) and Reno-Tahoe (43 miles, more than 1-hour drive) are singular metros themselves.

Well of course they are, the Census said so.

[kjbrill]

I just don't see the necessity for pushing the concept of a combined Dayton/Cincinnati metroplex. It has been evolving for years and will continue to evolve. But it is not there yet, and I believe there are good reasons to not rush it. Both Cincinnati and Dayton have rich historical backgrounds - who else can claim to be the birthplace of aviation?

Trying to accelerate it just goes against what many people object to - sprawling development.

Yes, I drive to Springboro and Miamisburg to play golf. But we golfers are nuts, we also drive to Heuston Woods in Oxford, Wilmington, and as far as Columbus Indiana on a day trip. This summer, if gas hits the predicted levels, we may confine ourselves to the course less than 1/2 mile from our homes.

I also don't buy the contentions Daytonians dislike Cincy and vice versa. I have never witnessed any of that when I would go to Dayton on either business or a pleasure trip. When there is a reason to commingle I feel Daytonians and Cincinnatians get along just fine. But if you want to force the issue, natural differences will come up.

And like everything else, the whole pizza subject is rediculous. Yes Marion's is building in Mason. But they better get their ass in gear and open up. Marco's (New York Style) and Aponte's (New Jersey Style) are already up and running. In addition to that we have original Cincinnati chains, Angelos and LaRosa's, and every national chain you have heard of, including Dewey's. We can readily see if we decided on carryout pizza for dinner every night we could go for at least two weeks without visiting the same establishment. So Marion's may be good, but they better be super good in this market.

But that is part of what we are talking about, how to survive in today's economy. Just trying to invent a larger metro economy where one doesn't exist will not contribute. It has to begin with initiatives between the two cities. Yea, like I think that will happen. Like politicians everywhere, each wants to protect their own turf.

[WILWRadio]

^^^New Jersey style pizza? Forgive my ignorance but I've never heard of it. I've heard of NY Style, Neapolitan, New Haven Style, Greek Style, Chicago Style (Deep Dish), St. Louis Style (wretched with that provel cheese) but never NJ Style.

How does it differ from the others I've mentioned?

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

Yes, I drive to Springboro and Miamisburg to play golf. But we golfers are nuts, we also drive to Heuston Woods in Oxford, Wilmington, and as far as Columbus Indiana on a day trip. This summer, if gas hits the predicted levels, we may confine ourselves to the course less than 1/2 mile from our homes.

You driving to Springboro is hardly unusual since you live in Mason. You could take 741 and be there in 20 minutes - tops. You're far closer to Springboro than you are to, say, Eastgate or Colerain.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

You driving to Springboro is hardly unusual since you live in Mason. You could take 741 and be there in 20 minutes - tops. You're far closer to Springboro than you are to, say, Eastgate or Colerain.

Yes, but you see we are also stupid enough to drive to A.J. Jolly in Alexandria Ky, Stonelick and Elks Run in Batavia, and Belterra in Indiana. As I sad we golfers are a little nuts.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

Yes, but you see we are also stupid enough to drive to A.J. Jolly in Alexandria Ky, Stonelick and Elks Run in Batavia, and Belterra in Indiana. As I sad we golfers are a little nuts.

Have you ever played Miami Valley or the Moraine Country Club in Dayton ... or Yankee Trace in Centerville?

Miami Valley is one of if not the best in Cincinnati-Dayton. And Moraine hosted the U.S. Senior Open a couple of years ago, if I recall. (2005 maybe?)

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Have you ever played Miami Valley or the Moraine Country Club in Dayton ... or Yankee Trace in Centerville?

Miami Valley is one of if not the best in Cincinnati-Dayton. And Moraine hosted the U.S. Senior Open a couple of years ago, if I recall. (2005 maybe?)

I have played Yankee Trace. I have a high-school classmate who has worked at Yankee Trace for quite a few years. When we were young he was what I would call a golf hustler. On the weekends he would hang around the clubhouse looking for an innocent game. Then after he played everyone pretty even he would suggest upping the ante. Then he would clean their clocks. He is in his early seventies, but if you don't watch out he can still clean your clock.

He is one of those small, wiry guys you would never suspect could hit the ball. Then he steps up and drives it straight down the fairway, likely 250-270 yards. You go Whoa where did that come from? That is what he can do at 73. But his biggest strength is on the green. Anything inside of 25 feet you never want to count him out. He still travels around the country playing in various senior events, not the senior tour but such as senior state championships, etc. As I said, a true golf hustler.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by Briolat21

Seriously. Its not 1885. It does not take 3 days in the wagon with supplies and a gun (in case unfriendly indigenous peoples are encountered - or bears) to get from Cinci to Dayton.

LOL, tell that to people in Cincinnati, many of whom are unaware that anything lies beyond the I-275 circle.

That was my observation when I was a newcomer, almost 30 years ago. I went to school in Dayton, moved to Cleveland for a couple of years, and then moved to Cincinnati. The provincialism and parochialism in Cincinnati downright shocked me, because it did not exist in Dayton or Cleveland. And yes, things have changed in 30 years ... slightly.

please go back to discussing why one city's gain is always at the expense of another city and why the cities must compete (like children) for love/respect - because there is not enough to go around.

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

I've never heard anyone say anything remotely as ridiculous as your "aunt" example. You make it sound like Dayton is where Toledo is. As I've said before on these boards, I have a cousin who lives in Centerville and works on Pfeifer Road in Blue Ash and has for the past seven years. One of my Centerville friends is a mailman in West Chester. I have a sister who lives in Miamisburg but takes my niece to Loveland several times a week to stay.

I think you just demonstrated the "your aunt" example with your anecdotes.

UD, UC, X and Miami have always been considered part of the "Mythical Miami Valley Conference

If that's so, why does UD get absolutely no coverage in Cincinnati media unless the Flyers are playing Xavier or Miami? UK gets better coverage than UD does. That always irritated me.