Disappointment - Cincinnati: is this really it? (Cleveland, Green: casino, trendy)

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by ram2

???
Is that a big deal?

HUGE!

[Jandur]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

I know you only see real cities on television, but before you go throwing around terms that are beyond your travel experience, but did you ever consider just what is "looping" to make a "loop?"

Just for the record the L and the Loop are not inclusive to one another. The loop makes up probably 10% of total mileage on the L tracks.

Beyond that the Loop actually extends beyond the original loop of tracks it was named for so your point of the Loop proper being the same as the loop of L tracks is off base.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Oh and soldier field is downtown. Have a great day.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

Really?

Little place called Richfield Coliseum. You may have heard of it. It's a field now. Nothing but flowers. And the basketball/hockey arena is downtown. Quicken Loans -- nee Gund -- Arena. You may have heard of it.

Cedar Point is not in a suburb of Cleveland. Consult a map.

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by Jandur

Just for the record the L and the Loop are not inclusive to one another.

Whoever said they were?

The loop makes up probably 10% of total mileage on the L tracks.

This is relevant to what?

Beyond that the Loop actually extends beyond the original loop of tracks it was named for so your point of the Loop proper being the same as the loop of L tracks is off base.

Nah, the Loop is the Loop. I'll give you maybe a half block outside the Loop as "the Loop," but that's it. Michigan Ave. is not in the Loop. Some people like to try to extend the boundaries to feel like they're part of something cool and because of the cachet the Loop has, enhanced by Chicago institutions such as WLUP, but if you're not in the Loop, you're not in the Loop.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Oh and soldier field is downtown. Have a great day.

I might be dumb as dirt, but I'm smarter than you're Chicago.

Further, consider this exceedingly relevant point over which you've glossed: Was Soldier Field built as a downtown stadium back in 1924?

You went 0 for 4 on that post.

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Little place called Richfield Coliseum. You may have heard of it. It's a field now.

I have heard of it. I read it was plagued by horrible access.

From Wiki:

"As there was really only one true entrance to the arena (directly at the 271/303 interchange) traffic would back up for several miles in all directions for hours whenever an event was even close to a sell out."

They should have built it right on an interstate with easy and fast access from multiple directions.

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Cedar Point is not in a suburb of Cleveland. Consult a map.

Who said it was? Consult a grammar book.

[rrtechno]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

AWESOME!

JUST AWESOME!

I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOW THIS POST TO EVERYONE!

YOU ARE NOW GOING TO BE THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR YEARS TO COME.

THANK YOU!

"I'm not talking about a Ford Pinto. I'm talking about a small two-door Ford made in the 70's that had gas tank problems."

You might want to make sure you know what you are talking about. Your post here implies that the L and the LOOP are one and the same.

However, the L is the transit system, so referred to because of the "elevated" tracks.

Chicago ''L''.org: History - Introduction

"Chicago's "Loop" is the city's official downtown area. The second largest downtown business district in the United States, the Loop's boundaries are the Chicago River on the west, Michigan Avenue on the east, Wacker Drive on the north and Congress Parkway on the south. "

The Loop, a Chicago Neighborhood Visit from Chicago Traveler

You may now return to your regularly scheduled bickering.

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by rrtechno

You might want to make sure you know what you are talking about. Your post here implies that the L and the LOOP are one and the same.

Not at all. The Loop is a wholly included subset of the El. There is no ~CTA v ~El Loop.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

Not at all. The Loop is a wholly included subset of the El. There is no ~CTA v ~El Loop.

There seems to be a discrepancy here concerning the basic definitions. I remember the El as the extended train operation covering a good portion of Chicago as a whole. I also remember the Loop as being downtown and forming a Loop. Granted, some of the Loop had portions of the El on it.

But I believe the greater definition of the Loop is not tied directly to the El, but rather a section of downtown which is defined as a business Loop independent of the El. The El does not run down Michigan Ave, but I consider Michigan Ave as one of the boundaries of the Loop.

This is an argument which can go on and on, but I do believe the Chicago Loop extends beyond just where the El is downtown.

[Vintrest]

Wow...my spouse and I go off to spend 8 wonderful days in Cincinnati and I come back to find the topic has morphed into Chicago. Anyhow, if I'm allowed just a peep, we had a great time in the Queen City and had nice, clean, affordable accomodations at an extended stay in Blue Ash. Met some great local folks, sampled Skyline Chili (surprising good considering our Tex-Mex background) and their 4-ways. The OTR district was as busy as a beehive with new things happening there almost daily. Went to the antiques fair on Sunday across the river in Burlington, KY as well as the same in Springfield, OH. Not a single day in our visit was boring. Weather was perfect as well although a bit humid and warm. Ok...my apologies for interrupting the Chicago topic, but just wanted to counter the OP's negative experiences with our week-ago positive impressions of Cincinnati.

[TomJones123]

^^ Cool, glad you had a fun time! Thanks for setting the record straight.

[neilworms2]

Ok, time for someone currently LIVING in Chicago to chime in on this.

Here's a map for reference: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=C...ra=ls&t=m&z=13

In Chicago there are basically 3 definitions of the loop - The area that was the original downtown which is surrounded by a loop of elevated train lines (originally horsecars way back when) bounded by Lake to the north, Wells to the west, Wabash to the east and Van Burean to the South.

The loop even as early as the early 20th century went way past those boundaries which is the second definition, the neighborhood called The Loop, which is pretty much from the Chicago River (north and west sides) (or the two train stations Olgilvie and Union) to Lake Michigan (or Michigan Ave) and Congress Parkway on the south.

A third defitintion is sometimes called the "Greater Loop", which pretty much started with the Gold Coast (the area around the Magnificent Mile) which didn't really develop until after the Michigan Bridge was built in the 1920s and really didn't come into its own until after WWII. This has since expanded to include neighborhoods that were developed pretty much in the last 20 years like the West Loop (became a neighborhood after Oprah moved her show there), River North (funky warehouse/art district), Streeterville (old industrial land next to the lakeshore south of the Gold Coast and close to Navy Pier), and finally the South Loop (I have a friend who's lived there since 2002 and even as I would come up to visit him in Chicago I literally saw the neighborhood come together).

I consider Soldier Field to be in the South Loop, solidly in the area that is really starting to solidify as a neighborhood and has been developed in the last 10-15 years. Before that time I wouldn't consider it anywhere near any of the definitions of the loop, but by the 3rd one I would today.