05-04-2014, 09:15 PM
Location: Connecticut
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Haven't lived in Ohio for 8 years. Heard Delta downsized the hub to one of the smallest. Is the airport even used? Y'all ever fly out of it, or go to nearby larger airports?
05-05-2014, 06:25 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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SouthernGuy1
Haven't lived in Ohio for 8 years. Heard Delta downsized the hub to one of the smallest. Is the airport even used? Y'all ever fly out of it, or go to nearby larger airports?
What nearby larger airports? You think anybody is going to Chicago or Detroit to take a flight? Dayton, Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville are all smaller than CVG. Lexington is almost nonexistent.
Everyone makes too big a deal out of CVG. Local passenger traffic was up by a good percentage last year. DHL moved back to CVG when they left Wilmington, so freight traffic is up. Sure when Delta merged with Northwest who had just made a major financial investment in the Detroit airport, they made a purely business decision to use Detroit as their secondary eastern hub and phase out CVG. Considering Detroit is further from Atlanta Hartsfield, this made sense to me.
But what exactly does a hub buy you anyway? Sure more flights to more cities. But don't forget, the vast majority of the passengers are just passing through, changing flights to somewhere else. They are not stopping in Cincinnati, doing business in Cincinnati, spending money in Cincinnati, etc.
Another significant factor was the decline of the regional jet. Comair was a pioneer in the business, now they are gone, defunct, kaput. Why? Because the most popular regional jets were horribly inefficient to operate. I called them the flying sewer pipes. Pure engine power and resulting fuel kept them in the air. Once fuel prices escalated they became prohibitively expensive to operate for their ROI. BTW, ever wonder where all those planes went?
CVG is still holding its weight. Not to the degree of convenience as when it was a major hub. But in comparison to all of the surrounding airports of similar size, I feel doing OK.
How many of you remember flying American Eagle on a Shorts Bros. plane in say the 60s/70s? Now that was an adventure to be remembered. I couldn't believe the framework was actually wood. Felt like I was flying with the Wright Brothers.
05-05-2014, 08:44 AM
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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We use CVG pretty much every time we fly, but that isn't too often. That last time we didn't use CVG was in 2002, when my parents went to Dayton to go to Hawaii. The last time we flew was in 2012 when we went to San Diego. There was a layover a LAX, though.
05-06-2014, 08:11 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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American Luxury
We use CVG pretty much every time we fly, but that isn't too often. That last time we didn't use CVG was in 2002, when my parents went to Dayton to go to Hawaii. The last time we flew was in 2012 when we went to San Diego. There was a layover a LAX, though.
That is a significant point. Many people do not fly frequently. My latest flight was from Melbourne, FL to Lawton, OK, round trip. My reason was to go to Lawton and assist my middle daughter with the birth of her youngest child, that is babysit the other two. But first I drive the wife to Palm Bay, FL to where the youngest daughter lives.
Naturally, I must first fly from Melbourne to Atlanta and change planes. Then, amazingly I get a podunk flying sewer pipe directly from Atlanta to Lawton. Guess the military fly enough people to keep at least one flight a day in operation. Yes, my son-in-law was in Iraq, and here I am on my way to Lawton.
But that is what dad's are for.
After my tenure there, returned to Melbourne and drove the wife back to Cincinnati. Likely my last ever plane ride. The wife now needs a power wheelchair for mobility. Do you know just what a hassle that is? Forget air travel. From the arrival at the airport to the departure at the other end, what a nightmare.
05-06-2014, 07:44 PM
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SouthernGuy1
Haven't lived in Ohio for 8 years. Heard Delta downsized the hub to one of the smallest. Is the airport even used? Y'all ever fly out of it, or go to nearby larger airports?
I fly all the time and I used CVG regularly. If there's a better direct flight at DAY that takes less time, I'll fly out of there. Delta has treated me very well. I average one delayed flight out of my last 20 flights. It's one of the most expensive airports and for good reason. They know what the hell they are doing there.
05-10-2014, 03:37 PM
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One of the major reasons Toyota cited for moving operations to Dallas (besides the monetary incentives handed out) was the ability to make direct flights from DFW to all of its North American operations facilities plus Japan. If CVG was more of an international airline hub, the region would be better able to attract and retain international business. I'm not sure what the airport itself could do to improve the amount of routes, but as it stands, CVG doesn't really take away from the region's economic interest, but it also doesn't add nearly as much as hub airports like Dallas, Atlanta or O'Hare.
05-10-2014, 08:04 PM
Location: Mason, OH
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^^ So what is your specific point? CVG is no longer a hub airport. So what do you say they should do? The airports don't decide to be hubs, the airlines decide where the hubs will be. For my money I will avoid Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, and O'hare anytime I can. Flying through there is like going to the dentist and geting an extraction.
05-10-2014, 09:39 PM
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What nearby larger airports? You think anybody is going to Chicago or Detroit to take a flight? Dayton, Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville are all smaller than CVG. Lexington is almost nonexistent.
CMH and IND are busier than CVG, which had a little over 5 million passengers in 2013.
05-11-2014, 05:12 AM
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^^ So what is your specific point? CVG is no longer a hub airport. So what do you say they should do? The airports don't decide to be hubs, the airlines decide where the hubs will be. For my money I will avoid Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, and O'hare anytime I can. Flying through there is like going to the dentist and geting an extraction.
I don't claim to be a guru, I said I wasn't sure since like you, I see this as mostly the result of a struggling airline's business decision. The new terminal helps, before any non-Delta flights would be cramped into Terminal 2, which didn't have the amenities of Terminal 3 and felt like a sardine can on busy days. On that note, I think the airport shouldn't have tied itself so much to Delta in the first place, that wound up making it difficult for competitors and left the region vulnerable to Delta's own condition. Had more been done earlier to woo discount carriers like Southwest or JetBlue, the diversity of routes in and out might be better right now. It's good that Allegiant's coming in, but it still likely won't be enough. More competition benefits the airport and the region, less benefits a specific airline like Delta.
05-11-2014, 07:18 AM
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^^ So what is your specific point? CVG is no longer a hub airport. So what do you say they should do? The airports don't decide to be hubs, the airlines decide where the hubs will be. For my money I will avoid Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, and O'hare anytime I can. Flying through there is like going to the dentist and geting an extraction.
How can you avoid ATL, DFW, ORD, DTW anymore? Almost impossible since DL cut direct flights from CVG
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People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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