04-02-2017, 01:39 PM
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Currently at Findlay Market as I write this. Bell Connector is awesome! Seats could be made a bit better though as you always feel like you will fall off.
04-06-2017, 03:54 PM
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Actually, the articulated bus does it all a lot better. It is faster, can go around obstacles and is completely scalable. At a tiny fraction of the cost. The streetcar is an amusement ride. Nothing more.
I just saw an articulated bus in Cleveland this afternoon. Your conclusion is correct. With so many needs we have in society, wasting a god awful amount of money building a coal-fired toy train set for urban hipsters is a crime against humanity. (And don't forget the resistance loss inherent in transporting electricity from the coal-fired power plant to the power lines, to the toy train. Nobody seems to take into account these wasted resources either.)
04-06-2017, 04:19 PM
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I just saw an articulated bus in Cleveland this afternoon. Your conclusion is correct. With so many needs we have in society, wasting a god awful amount of money building a coal-fired toy train set for urban hipsters is a crime against humanity. (And don't forget the resistance loss inherent in transporting electricity from the coal-fired power plant to the power lines, to the toy train. Nobody seems to take into account these wasted resources either.)
Cincinnati has articulated buses. Show how much attention you pay to public transportation.
Electricity use by a steel-wheeled streetcar running on rails is minimal. A rubber-tired diesel city bus can't compete in energy efficiency. The price of electricity isn't as susceptible to spikes.
04-06-2017, 04:22 PM
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Cincinnati has articulated buses. Show how much attention you pay to public transportation.
Not at all minimal. They go up and down hill all day. Most all energy is consumed by going up hills. No energy gained by going down. That's why they call them "foot pounds."
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04-06-2017, 04:46 PM
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Not at all minimal. They go up and down hill all day.
I wasn't talking about that kind of resistance, of going up and down, but that too.
I was talking about the resistance and loss inherent in burning coal at a plant 50 or more miles away, and then sending the power generated 50 miles through all kinds of kicks and kinks in the wiring, through all the transformers and other equipment to the local power station and then over to the toy train.
If you can't run a video signal through an HDMI cable for more than 10 feet without heroic efforts, what makes you think the coal you burn 50 miles away is being transported without a similar loss? I think this all falls under the laws of physics, but it's been a while since I've been in a science class.
04-06-2017, 04:58 PM
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Not at all minimal. They go up and down hill all day. Most all energy is consumed by going up hills. No energy gained by going down. That's why they call them "foot pounds."
The streetcar has regenerative braking, just like nearly all electric rail systems for the past 100 years. In Switzerland, it's often the case that 3-4 downhill trains generate enough electricity to power one uphill train. New electric cars have regenerative braking too.
04-06-2017, 05:01 PM
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I wasn't talking about that kind of resistance, of going up and down, but that too.
No American transit system runs off of its own power plant. It's not 1905 anymore, when streetcar companies actually did build their own power plants.
04-06-2017, 05:05 PM
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The streetcar has regenerative braking, just like nearly all electric rail systems for the past 100 years. In Switzerland, it's often the case that 3-4 downhill trains generate enough electricity to power one uphill train. New electric cars have regenerative braking too.
No it doesn't. You have no idea what you are talking about. You think it has on board batteries? Or the arial wires are sending electricity back to Duke?
04-06-2017, 07:23 PM
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No American transit system runs off of its own power plant. It's not 1905 anymore, when streetcar companies actually did build their own power plants.
WTH are you talking about? Duke Energy, or whoever owns the power plant, shovels a bunch of coal into the furnace at that plant down the river that was supposed to be a nuke plant but got screwed up. The coal generates steam which powers generators. The generators make electricity and the power gets sent over wires to the toy train! That's how it's powered.
You think you can send electrical current through a wire for 50 miles, go through all kinds of step up and step down transformers and what not, and that 100% of it arrives in Downtown Cincinnati? I'm sure there's an expert here who can tell us what the resistance loss is. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 25% or more. Probably 50% when you add in all the scrubbers they use ...... Meaning, you get 25% or 50% more energy out of that coal if you shove that coal directly into a vehicle rather than shoving it into a power plant furnace and sending it 50 miles down the road to power what is effectively a coal-fired train, just not as efficient.
04-06-2017, 09:12 PM
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No it doesn't. You have no idea what you are talking about. You think it has on board batteries? Or the arial wires are sending electricity back to Duke?
Braking vehicles on nearly all electric transit systems send power back into the system. If there is no other vehicle in the same electrical block, the braking vehicle uses the regenerated power to power its onboard systems (lights, air conditioning, etc.).
A few of the new streetcar systems do have onboard batteries. Seattle's First Hill line, which opened in 2016, has a wireless section because the new streetcar line crosses a variety of older trolleybus lines. I believe the new streetcar system in Detroit is going to have a wireless section also. These batteries are charged by the overhead wire in the sections that have the wire, but are also recharged in the wireless sections by regenerative braking.
There are also transit systems around the world experimenting with storing regenerated power in fixed trackside lithium ion batteries. Some event want to sell extra power generated by the vehicles back into the utility grid.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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