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Old 05-28-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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We were downtown today around 6. The streets were packed. We were waiting in front of Nicholsons for our ride. 2 connectors went down Walnut. 1 was almost empty and the next was half empty.

What a waste of money
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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We were downtown today around 6. The streets were packed. We were waiting in front of Nicholsons for our ride. 2 connectors went down Walnut. 1 was almost empty and the next was half empty.

What a waste of money
Weird, I rode it twice yesterday and it was standing room only both times yesterday. Plus early this month they already had over 40,000 riders.
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Old 05-29-2017, 01:55 PM
 
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I still think doing a vehicle designed to look like a Trolley but on wheels running a fixed route is the most sensible way to accomplish the wishes of those that want rails in the middle of the street. It will cost almost nothing to build such a vehicle, can be built to run off Natural Gas and several of them can be bought to allow more easily to replace a Trolley that is down due to vehicle maintenance.

Rails in the middle of the street, relocating infrastructure and also having to potentially use Eminent Domain for future projects of this nature are more problems in addition to the build costs and other problems that have cropped up with the first segment.

Heavy Rail works well because it only requires to have Red Light crossings at streets from time to time. And Light Rail when properly implemented also works in this manner. Rails in the middle of the street in this day and age is a PITA to put it mildly.
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Old 05-29-2017, 10:29 PM
 
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We were downtown today around 6. The streets were packed. We were waiting in front of Nicholsons for our ride. 2 connectors went down Walnut. 1 was almost empty and the next was half empty.

What a waste of money
Drove on I-74 today, hardly any cars. What a waste of money!

An "empty" streetcar might have just dropped off 30-50 people at the previous stop or two. It might pick up another 30-50 on the next two.

I was at Washington Park today (Monday) for about two hours in the afternoon. Saw at least 10 streetcars go by. One only had 4-5 people on it. The rest had 30-50 people on it. One was packed.
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:56 AM
 
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Drove on I-74 today, hardly any cars. What a waste of money!
Hardly. I-74 serves a minimum of 32,820 cars and trucks per day along its 20 mile stretch depending on what point on the freeway you measure. The number of vehicles at its busiest point is 94,790.

How many people did your choo choo serve?

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions...orts/HAM13.pdf
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Old 06-02-2017, 06:55 AM
 
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Hardly. I-74 serves a minimum of 32,820 cars and trucks per day along its 20 mile stretch depending on what point on the freeway you measure. The number of vehicles at its busiest point is 94,790.

How many people did your choo choo serve?

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions...orts/HAM13.pdf
WLW Radio news report indicated the "Little Engine that Could" had 13, 413 riders during the Taste of Cincinnati this past weekend. Half of what they expected. While that figure is good under normal business hours or perhaps for an average weekend it is pretty lousy for an event that hosted over half a million people.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Hardly. I-74 serves a minimum of 32,820 cars and trucks per day along its 20 mile stretch depending on what point on the freeway you measure. The number of vehicles at its busiest point is 94,790.

How many people did your choo choo serve?

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions...orts/HAM13.pdf

So do you think if the streetcar line was 20 miles long instead of 2 it would attract more or fewer passengers? What about an airport with one 3,000 foot runway as opposed to another with three 10,000 foot runways?
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:33 PM
 
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When we had a vote for a subway system in Cincinnati back in 1916, it passed by a 6-1 margin. There has not been a vote to construct a subway system or an expressway network since. Yet we have 200+ miles of expressway. There has never been a vote. It appeared out of thin air.

For whatever reason you cannot entertain the idea that the car and oil companies devised the way things are now and got the legislation passed at the federal and state levels that makes hidden automobile and road subsidation appear "normal". In the United States, money-losing public roads are "investments" whereas public transportation requires "subsidies".

Again, Chrysler has been bailed out twice, GM once, cash for clunkers, DRILL BABY DRILL, etc.
Tell me about it. And while subway systems require tremendous capital costs and are expensive to maintain, consider freeway systems whose bridges and other infrastructure must literally be ground-up rebuilt every 20-30 years... Then look at rail facilities like New York's subways -- most of which was built by WWII, or the Chicago L, where the Loop and many el structures were built in the early-to-mid 1890s!! ... and are still running strong.

Much of the USA's twisted mentality toward transit it highways comes from the libertarian philosophy by which this country was founded and is still guided by whereby cars + freeways = freedom and democracy whereby public transit is viewed as social engineering, collectivist --> Communist!
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Old 06-02-2017, 01:10 PM
 
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Tell me about it. And while subway systems require tremendous capital costs and are expensive to maintain, consider freeway systems whose bridges and other infrastructure must literally be ground-up rebuilt every 20-30 years... Then look at rail facilities like New York's subways -- most of which was built by WWII, or the Chicago L, where the Loop and many el structures were built in the early-to-mid 1890s!! ... and are still running strong.

Much of the USA's twisted mentality toward transit it highways comes from the libertarian philosophy by which this country was founded and is still guided by whereby cars + freeways = freedom and democracy whereby public transit is viewed as social engineering, collectivist --> Communist!
Nice try, but what sits on top of a subway line? The road above, and it's effectively one long bridge running the length of the subway tunnel. You don't think these things have to be rebuilt from time to time?
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Old 06-02-2017, 01:47 PM
 
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Subway tunnels are out of the weather and as such don't suffer from freeze/thaw and salt damage. As long as they are regularly maintained, they last forever. There are many 150 year-old tunnels still in use all over the world.

Cincinnati's tunnel under Central Parkway received almost zero maintenance until 2010, at age 90. Now it's good for another 50+ years.

New York has not rebuilt any section of its 100 year-old subway other than the part destroyed in the World Trade Center collapse. Hurricane Sandy did do a lot of damage but they have not had to actually rebuild anything. The last of the Sandy repairs is about to start:

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