What kind of City is Cincinnati (Columbus, Washington: low crime, neighborhood, university)

[northwoodsman]

i've lived in cincinnati all my life.. it's in hamilton county
go to cincinnati.com

[wavemakersdj]

If you want the nicer suburbs and communities, try to stay around the kenwood/madeira/indian hill/blue ash area. Past that is mason, also very nice but a little further from the city. Really though considering even dayton is only a 45 minute drive or so to cincy, it's all relatively close when compared to other major areas of the country.

[jamesia]

Cincinnati is a pretty conservative city. Sure, you'll find pockets of progressive minded people, like where I lived for 7 years in Clifton's Gaslight area. There is a black Democratic mayor now, as the city core is mostly black Democrats. I mention that in case you find that bothersome. Hopefully that means Cincy is overcoming the race problems that culminated in the 2001 riots (which is when I moved there)... I never met a racist until I lived in Cincinnati. At least, not an overt one. So hopefully things are getting better now. The city trends to the right, there's no mistaking that. I do like a well mixed city, but trends to the left: that's why I'm in Austin now!

I don't know how you define "real city", but there isn't a whole lot to do in the downtown area. Most things close early because of high crime. Most surbanites are kind of shifty about being downtown, so there's not a huge market for business down there. When a game lets out at the stadiums, there's a mass exodus back to the suburbs... not much mingling downtown. The suburbs have more entertainment things: Mt Adams is upper middle class and has many bars/nightlife. Northside is a great, cheaper area too. Clifton is more university related. Someone else mentioned Blue Ash and the nicer suburbs, and they certainly wouldn't mix with the inner city people much. I wish it weren't that way, but it definitely is. There is an effort to revitalize a spectacular section of downtown called Over the Rhine (OTR). Right now it's inhabited by low-income people, drug users and dealers, and prostitutes. Gentrification is fairly obvious, but there is enough housing to accommodate for low income families along with the loft rehabs. Hopefully planning will go into that, otherwise there'll be more race tensions.

The city proper is a gritty, old city, and that's why I loved it. Fantastic architecture! The parks are fantastic, but outside of the parks you won't find much in the way of outdoors activities. Cincinnati is a family town, not really a singles town. It's definitely losing population, and trying to turn things around. The manufacturing exodus from the US to foreign countries hit Ohio really hard, so the economy is not great... but that means housing is pretty damn cheap.

If you want a progressive Ohio city check out Columbus. Cleveland is progressive but not well in terms of economy, and Cincinnati is conservative. Maybe you could spend a week here, at least long enough to let the rose colored glasses wear off, and get an idea of what life here is like.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by brri

How is the library system and the arts? Where are the nicest suburbs or inner city neighborhood that are visually appealling?

Cincinnati has lots of great neighborhoods,and they all have their own character. Hyde Park is full of yuppies and old money; Mt. Lookout is full of yuppies. Mt. Adams is hip and trendy, and Northside is where Mt. Adams was 25 to 30 years ago. Columbia-Tusculum has a bunch of Victorian and Queen Anne style homes done up in the Painted Lady style. Westwood, Madisonville and Oakley are working class, although Oakley has become a Hyde Park wannabe. Pleasant Ridge is a solid, quiet neighborhood. Some neighborhoods like the East End and Linwood have an Appalachian population; Western Hills is solidly German Catholic and residents identify themselves by which parish they attend, not by their neighborhood or street.

Originally Posted by jamesia

The suburbs have more entertainment things: Mt Adams is upper middle class and has many bars/nightlife. Northside is a great, cheaper area too. Clifton is more university related.

These three are not suburbs; they are city neighborhoods.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by jamesia

Cincinnati is a pretty conservative city. Sure, you'll find pockets of progressive minded people, like where I lived for 7 years in Clifton's Gaslight area. There is a black Democratic mayor now, as the city core is mostly black Democrats. I mention that in case you find that bothersome. Hopefully that means Cincy is overcoming the race problems that culminated in the 2001 riots (which is when I moved there)... I never met a racist until I lived in Cincinnati. At least, not an overt one. So hopefully things are getting better now. The city trends to the right, there's no mistaking that. I do like a well mixed city, but trends to the left: that's why I'm in Austin now!

I don't know how you define "real city", but there isn't a whole lot to do in the downtown area. Most things close early because of high crime. Most surbanites are kind of shifty about being downtown, so there's not a huge market for business down there. When a game lets out at the stadiums, there's a mass exodus back to the suburbs... not much mingling downtown. The suburbs have more entertainment things: Mt Adams is upper middle class and has many bars/nightlife. Northside is a great, cheaper area too. Clifton is more university related. Someone else mentioned Blue Ash and the nicer suburbs, and they certainly wouldn't mix with the inner city people much. I wish it weren't that way, but it definitely is. There is an effort to revitalize a spectacular section of downtown called Over the Rhine (OTR). Right now it's inhabited by low-income people, drug users and dealers, and prostitutes. Gentrification is fairly obvious, but there is enough housing to accommodate for low income families along with the loft rehabs. Hopefully planning will go into that, otherwise there'll be more race tensions.

The city proper is a gritty, old city, and that's why I loved it. Fantastic architecture! The parks are fantastic, but outside of the parks you won't find much in the way of outdoors activities. Cincinnati is a family town, not really a singles town. It's definitely losing population, and trying to turn things around. The manufacturing exodus from the US to foreign countries hit Ohio really hard, so the economy is not great... but that means housing is pretty damn cheap.

If you want a progressive Ohio city check out Columbus. Cleveland is progressive but not well in terms of economy, and Cincinnati is conservative. Maybe you could spend a week here, at least long enough to let the rose colored glasses wear off, and get an idea of what life here is like.

When comparing crime with Austin, what source are you using and do you mind sharing your methods as well? I'm assuming you wouldn't be silly enough to compare Austins 260 sq mi to Cincinnati's 80. I mean, any city can look fabulous when you extend the city boundaries beyond the urban core and into the rural suburban areas! Hence Cincy's 2.1 mil metro to Austin's 1.5 and the difference between city populations and population densities. So please ... do tell!


I'm not familiar with Austin so I can't comment on it, but what I can do ... is find out what other Austinites are saying!

Comments are in response to this:

AUSTIN — Residents of a public housing complex on the east side where a man was brutally beaten to death said Friday the city is sanitizing tragic events that could portray the city in a bad light.
"They don't want to arouse anything with the African-American community," said the victim's older sister, Elizabeth Morales, 45.
City officials took great pains on Thursday to refute any link they made earlier between the killing of David Morales, 40, and a nearby Juneteenth celebration attended by 3,000.
Police have said Morales was beaten to death Tuesday night in the public housing complex's parking lot by several men while a crowd looked on. The attack was sparked when a car Morales was riding in struck a 2-year-old boy who was not seriously injured.
Officials altered their story several times, ultimately reducing the number of bystanders from hundreds to 20.
"I don't know why they want to lie," Elizabeth Morales said. "It had everything to do with Juneteenth."
Everyone interviewed at the complex by the Houston Chronicle on Friday insisted the parking lot on the night of the killing was packed with cars and people, many of whom attended the festivities at Rosewood Park, a 10-minute walk away.
The initial 911 caller who alerted authorities to the beating of Morales reported gang-like fighting and said the street next to the scene was blocked by the crowd.
That's not the point, said Austin City Councilman Mike Martinez, who represents residents in East Austin.
"Yes, there were people from the event where someone got killed, but Mr. Morales didn't die because of the Juneteenth celebration," Martinez said. "He died because someone beat him, and they should be held accountable." Any linkage of the Juneteenth holiday with Morales' slaying can only inflame racial tensions in the city, he said.

Austin remains an embarrassment to Texas

If the murderers were white and the victim an AA, I wonder how the press/city would portray this?
HMMM

Juneteenth is the celebration of the end of black slavery in Texas after the Civil War. Too bad slavery still exists in Austin, with the establishment being a slave to political correctness and the neighborhoods being slaves to fear and reprisal. Yep, time to celebrate, they’ve come a long way.

Unfreakingbelievable. And yet, so Austin.

White liberals perplexed on how to “manage” race relations over an incident where there are no white men to blame.
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Lol — If someone wasn’t killed, it would be kind of funny to watch those idiot, gilt-ridden libs in such a state of confusion over this. Though, they’ll probably figure out a way to blame whitey.

Keep Austin Racist.

“I want to live to be 21.”
That says it all about Juneteenth celebrations, public housing and the people who live there.

One thing for sure the MSM certainly covered it up.
This was nothing more than a dreadful hate crime, where is Alberto Gonzales on this ?

In response to Milwaukees "Liberalism":

Amen to that. I spent 4 years in that PC, liberal hellhole. The Hill Country is a great place to visit... but I never want to live there again.

OMG, we used to have Black College Spring Break. It was crazy! They stopped allowing it, too much violence. I know spring break can be wild, the white kids go to the beach, drink way too much and get pretty crazy too but I don’t usually read about them shooting eachother like they do at Black College Spring Break.

Segregation??? What!? ... No, not in Austin!

My son plays travel baseball. We are independant and can put anyone we want on our team. Last year a mom called to see if her son could tryout. They are black and the nicest people you could meet with a wonderful son. She told me she looked for a white team because she wanted to get away from the all black teams. She did not want her son around that behavior. Since then we have added two more black families to our team. One family is kind of ghetto. Their son had never known a white person before. That particular family confided that they could not believe how welcoming we are. She said if it were the other way around there is no way we as parents and our sons would ever be truly accepted we would be tolerated at best. And it’s the white people who are always cast as the racists.

How is it that I live in Georgia and I have never heard of this?
Think "Freaknik" with more drugs and alcohol.

If the murderers were white and the victim an AA, I wonder how the press/city would portray this?
We all know, don't we?

Isn’t that sweet? Because Martin Luther King was right. We must judge people by their character. As your black family did — and wanted to avoid the ghetto culture.

Enough? It can go on and on ... If you want it to, I can PM you more comments if you'd like.


jamesia, can these same comments be made about Cincinnati? Hell yes they can! ... and for LA and for Birmingham, and for Milwaukee, and for NYC, and for Miami, and for Phoenix ... I'll tell you what, you pick a city and I'll find it's local citizens critizing themselves for being the most "racist" city on earth. You can't escape it and you sure didn't move to a city that's free of it (hence it's local citizens who've probably lived in Austin a lot longer than you have). Racism is a problem anywhere you go, whether it's external or internal ... it's a problem and to tell you the truth, I'd rather be around an outward racist black indiviual than a racist black individual that's hiding it inside.

[Traveler87]

Austin is not a great city at all. I have went there on visits for college. It is an annexing city that keeps trying to boost its population by swallowing its suburbs. It needs a lot of work to catch up to Cincinnati. Trust me, the only thing they have going for it is the college. They really have no large fortune 500 companies except Dell located in Round Rock, not even in Austin.

[hillside]

though square mileage has nothing to do with crime (kansas city is huge and is routinely one of the most violent cities), the cincinnati folks are right. austin compares to columbus, which doesn't even compare to cincinnati.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by hillside

though square mileage has nothing to do with crime.

You're right, it has nothing to do with crime, but it does with crime statistics (even the FBI fine printed this exact sentiment on the Quintino report). If you move into a less dense area in rural areas, you'll skew the numbers largely. 260 miles?! come on Hillside, I know you're in Columbus shaking your head ... that's 4 times the land area of Cincy! lol

[hillside]

kansas city is over 300 sq miles. Doesn't deter crime.

[jlrosen]

the square milage doesn't deter crime, but it does make the crime statistics meaningless, especially per capita