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I think it's funny that Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida but it's thought of as a second tier city. Just goes to show you that Miami runs things.
Municipal boundaries mean nothing. Jacksonville annexed much of the land whereas Miami could not. Miami's MSA is about 3-4 times the size of Jacksonville.
Municipal boundaries mean nothing. Jacksonville annexed much of the land whereas Miami could not. Miami's MSA is about 3-4 times the size of Jacksonville.
ummmm, yeah they are actually. This has been debated and rehashed over and over so let's just let it be what it is. Texas and Florida are a part of the south. Maybe not culturally in your mind but regardless they are.
Exactly, or leaving out Texas cities elevates all the other southern cities no matter what tier.
Some interesting data I found in one thread and I want to add to this one. Props goes to Akhenaton for pointing this out. This is the amount of jobs each metro has added since 2000:
1. Austin 65,700; 6 nationwide
2. San Antonio 62,800; 7 nationwide
3. Orlando 60,900; 8 nationwide
4. Raleigh 40, 800; 10
5. Richmond 10,800; 26
6. Jacksonville 9,600; 29
7. Charlotte 9,100; 30
8. Virginia beach-Norfolk 8,500; 30
9. Nashville 3,800; 40
10. Louisville -29,600; 72
11. Memphis -42,400; 82
12. Tampa -58,800; 87
13. New Orleans 83,400; 92
^ Great information Charlotte, Tampa, Orlando leading the pack...not without San Antonio and Austin.
I wouldn't quite say that. Even with the job creation, which is lead by the Texas Twins, the GDP of Charlotte, Tampa, and Orlando is larger. This also states which metros have created more jobs, not necessarily which metro has a larger workforce. There are other metrics which need to be considered before I say the Texas Twins are up there, economically that it. But, that's just my opinion.
According to this poll, here are the 2nd tier cities according to this poll:
1. Charlotte
2. New Orleans
2. Austin
4. Tampa
5. San Antonio
6. Orlando/Nashville
These cities at least have one third of the votes.
I wouldn't quite say that. Even with the job creation, which is lead by the Texas Twins, the GDP of Charlotte, Tampa, and Orlando is larger. This also states which metros have created more jobs, not necessarily which metro has a larger workforce. There are other metrics which need to be considered before I say the Texas Twins are up there, economically that it. But, that's just my opinion.
I'm not quite sure why you post this statistic. But to clarify what I am saying allow me to state this. Charlotte's workforce is around 816k. So it is significantly less than SA. However, Charlotte's GDP is nearly $40 billion more than SA with 85k less workforce. I guess this means Charlotte's workforce is more productive or the industries that makeup Charlotte's workforce is more lucrative. Idk. And before the bankiing comment comes, banking is about 10% of Charlotte's GDP. If this was subtracted from Charlotte's GDP Charlotte would still be up over SA by about $30 billion.
It is for reasons like this why I say Charlotte, Tampa, and Orlando are quite ahead of the other second tier metros; because their economies are larger. But SA and Austin, IMO the Texas Twins, aren't too far behind and should be commended for continuing to create jobs despite the recession. If that trend continues they will be there with the above 3.
This is a bit off topic, but i have wondered about Austin's relatively low GDP of 80ish billion. We have UT, the capitol, large number of high tech companies, and were rated as the number 1 metro with disposable income spending. Unemployment is at 6.9% which is much lower than most of the other cities mentioned. Just not sure of the reason for its low GDP.
I was thinking it was possibly due to low cost of living, but Austin really isn't much if any cheaper than some of the other locations mentioned. And if you compare it to just Fort Worth area, they curb stomp us in GDP. However, if you visited both towns, you would think Austin has a lot more money. Another example would be how Charlotte can have about 1/3rd more GDP than Austin but almost double the unemployment. Guess what it boils down to is that do we overstate the importance of GDP on city vs city or am I not understanding its importance.
I have asked myself this same question in the past. IMO, there is a connection between GDP and the population surrounding a city. For example, Austin, Nashville and Charlotte all have similarly sized MSAs (nearly 1.6-1.7 million). Yet Charlotte's GDP is nearly 50% larger than Nashville's and Austin's. How can this be?
Well, first of all, Charlotte has neighboring counties that are not included in the city's MSA (yet they do depend on Charlotte economically). As a result, Charlotte's MSA has barely 3,100 sq/mi of land while Austin's MSA has roughly 4,200 sq/mi. Nashville's MSA has 5,700 sq./mi of land. So eventhough the MSA's are similar in population, Charlotte clearly has more people living within "X" amount of miles of the city center.
From what I can tell, a metro's GDP sometimes exposes such population layout discrepancies like the one discribed above.
If I were to guess, I'd say Charlotte's MSA would be nearly 2.1 million strong if it had the same 4,200 sq/mi of real estate that Austin's MSA has. This could be why Charlotte's GDP is higher. My point is that Charlotte might be getting a huge GDP boost from its CSA population of 2.4 million rather than its smaller MSA population.
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