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Old 08-13-2010, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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NYC, I'm russian, and was born and raised in a russian community in NYC.
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Old 08-27-2010, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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It's like being "Latino." A person can have an Hispanic surname even though he doesn't speak Spanish or has never been outside the U.S. but is still called an Hispanic. Most Anglos may have ancestry from European countries so, for example, some call themselves "Italian-Americans" even if one of their parents has different ancestry but their last name is Italian origin. African-American is basically another name for the black race which originates in Africa. Asian-Americans may come from many different Asian countries including India so they are separated on the U.S. census as being "Asian" even though they may be 3rd generation Americans.
The term "Anglo" is slang, and is incorrect. Used correctly, an Anglo is someone of English ancestry. You probably mean Anglophone, which is someone who speaks English.


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I am not "of Russian descent," I am Russian American. Black Americans are Americans, not African Americans. Real African Americans are Africans who immigrated from Africa. I am Russian American. Americans just like to claim nationalities that they are not.
Russian-American would be the preferred term, and the use of a hyphenated term also includes Americans with Russian ancestors. Thus, I'm a second generation Russian-American, which means I'm the second generation born here.

The hyphenated term simply means an American of Russian ancestry. When an American states they are Irish, Polish, or anything else, they aren't claiming nationality, but rather, ethnic ties. Nationality is synonymous with citizenship. Such as, in Russia there are many different elasticities that aren't Russian, but they have Russian citizenship. Likewise, there are ethnic Russians in other countries. Some of which are on their 6 or so generation.

These hyphenated terms are of American origin and have their own meaning in American culture and dialect. Although you disagree with it, hyphenated American ethnic identities was defined long ago in American culture, and it really isn't something you are going to be capable of redefining and convincing everyone to see your way.

I suggest reading the following links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American

Note the patter of the use of ancestry as the common denominator?

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Old 08-27-2010, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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I don't know. We do go by ancestry some in this country though and some cultures stick with the traditions of their ancestors. I think many of the "Old Believers" in this country were born here, but I think they largely still speak Russian and maintain Russian traditions.

Still I did wonder if many of the ones in the Dakotas are "German Russians" or "Volga Germans" rather than Russian-Russians. Considering the Dakotas don't seem to have any place that's highly Eastern Orthodox maybe it's not much for Russian traditions.
Many of the Russians from the first wave of immigration weren't Russian Orthodox. A large percentage of the ones who immigrated to California were Molokan. In the upper Midwest and across the border into Canada, many of them were Doukhabors.

I think the Volga Germans very much claim to be German, and not Russian.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Denver
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New York City CSA: 646,623
Los Angeles CSA: 235,539
Chicago CSA: 135,398
Boston CSA: 120,713
Philadelphia CSA: 123,720
Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 122,635
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA: 121,743
Miami- Fort Lauderdale MSA: 134,315
As a percentage of population:

NYC: 2.9%
LA: 1.3%
Chicago: 1.4%
Boston: 1.6%
Philadelphia: 1.9%
DC: 1.5%
SF: 1.6%
Miami: 2.5%

I wonder if the large Russian population in South Florida is related to the cocaine trade of the 1970s and 1980s. I remember hearing the USSR was becoming desperate for money at the end of the Cold War. As a result, they were selling arms for money...obviously thanks to smuggling and the wars being fought between rival gangs in Miami there was a large demand for weapons.

I remember seeing a documentary talking about a Russian who was involved in the cocaine trade at that time...his bosses were trying to obtain a submarine in order to get more drugs into the country at a lower risk. When he asked a government contact within the USSR about this, he was told he would be able to get a Russian Nuclear Submarine...the only question was: "do you want it with or without missles?" Pretty crazy.
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Old 09-24-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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As a percentage of population:

NYC: 2.9%
LA: 1.3%
Chicago: 1.4%
Boston: 1.6%
Philadelphia: 1.9%
DC: 1.5%
SF: 1.6%
Miami: 2.5%

I wonder if the large Russian population in South Florida is related to the cocaine trade of the 1970s and 1980s. I remember hearing the USSR was becoming desperate for money at the end of the Cold War. As a result, they were selling arms for money...obviously thanks to smuggling and the wars being fought between rival gangs in Miami there was a large demand for weapons.

I remember seeing a documentary talking about a Russian who was involved in the cocaine trade at that time...his bosses were trying to obtain a submarine in order to get more drugs into the country at a lower risk. When he asked a government contact within the USSR about this, he was told he would be able to get a Russian Nuclear Submarine...the only question was: "do you want it with or without missles?" Pretty crazy.
No, the ones with the money are mostly medical insurance / insurance mill medicaid scam people/doctors. Some are money laundering pro's that hold positions with Financial and Banking sector and are employed for the dual-language and Russian "connections". The rest are various importers and Russian business pikes. Others are just passing bums, strippers, travelers-opportunists. That is all. Drugs, unlike what one may believe is a single-player game with most get caught early or just getti hooked themselves. So, don't believe the hype. The one with the submarine is an institutionalized idiot who bragged himself into jail and finally into deportation. A small time club operator that FBI made into a fall guy. The submarine story is pure BS. The fellow went into Ukraine and was shown a rusting diesel submarine haul to be sold for scrap. Many of them are sold to Japan, Korea and China for scrap. To impress some "people" in his club he bragged about having a submarine. Well, walls have ears and this is what a good DA and a group of good Fed agents can do with the idiot.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Virginia Highland, GA
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Russian-speaking community in Atlanta
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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For Alaska it's 1% of the state population.But you know it's the closest state to Russia, but it's near Siberia, and Siberia is very empty, not really populated.75% of the russian population is in the western part of russia, in Europe.
And you know what ? 50% of the immigrants in Alaska comes from Philippines !
Aye, and a lot of the folks in Siberia are not ethnic Russians so they might list themselves as Asians or some tribe.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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In the late 19th and early 20th Century the US had a massive wave of immigration from Jews in the Russian Empire who were fleeing pogroms and persecution for their political beliefs. The opportunities and elections in the US did a lot to to moderate the socialist, communist, and anarachist beliefs of a lot of the political refugees, but if I remember correctly concerns over such a large and still growing community of people whose political and economic beliefs were largely in opposition to those of the rest of the US led to immigration of Jews from the Russian Empire being limited.

I think as time as passed the descendants of these immigrants have mostly forgotten the Russianism of their forebears. This is especially odd as a lot of these political refugees were part of a Russian Jewish intellectual elite who had been educated in schools and colleges in Russia which were largely focused on Russifying their students .
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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In the late 19th and early 20th Century the US had a massive wave of immigration from Jews in the Russian Empire who were fleeing pogroms and persecution for their political beliefs. The opportunities and elections in the US did a lot to to moderate the socialist, communist, and anarachist beliefs of a lot of the political refugees, but if I remember correctly concerns over such a large and still growing community of people whose political and economic beliefs were largely in opposition to those of the rest of the US led to immigration of Jews from the Russian Empire being limited.

I think as time as passed the descendants of these immigrants have mostly forgotten the Russianism of their forebears. This is especially odd as a lot of these political refugees were part of a Russian Jewish intellectual elite who had been educated in schools and colleges in Russia which were largely focused on Russifying their students .

"who were fleeing pogroms and persecution for their political beliefs..." ???
Religious beliefs NOT political beliefs. They fled for being persecuted for their Jewish faith...

"but if I remember correctly concerns over such a large and still growing community of people whose political and economic beliefs were largely in opposition..."

Wrong. Most of the people that fled were quite illiterate, and belonged to a class of small, self-employed and self-earning class. From barbers to tailors they were an example of grass-roots capitalism that was NOT different from much of the immigrants that came from Western Europe. In fact, they were a prime example of Horatio Alger models of an immigrant success story. A relative minority was of intellectual class had beliefs spread on both sides of the economic and social spectrum. Under Czar, for most part it has to be remembered, Jews were not allowed to live in major cities nor were allowed to be educated in higher learning institutions.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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But Russian isn't spoken by Russians only, it's an official language in Belarus, Kazhakstan and Kirghizistan ! And the most learned language in Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Latvia, Lituania and Estonia !
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