Metro-State: Metro Area More Important than Anchor State (compared, life, people)

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Another way to look at is is Income generated by residents - not sure if the states are available - but this is the money that flows through the workers in the region

//www.city-data.com/forum/city-...ropolitan.html

But how could I get it for the countries though, countries with a massive population like China, Brazil, India would just top that list in comparison to the cities?
Or even the income generated total by the 50 states. This is interesting though, totals up all of the net generated income in an area.

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Some others for thought - Denver, Seattle, Phoenix - would these also meet the criteria?

I don't know how others may feel about this but I definitely see that correlation also. Denver is the hub for the interior west and the states in the interior west like Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, etc it is the big city of the region (or subregion in this regard).
Phoenix likewise is the hub for the Desert Southwest and the states of Arizona, New Mexico, Southern half of Nevada, & some of the interior portions of Southern California.
Seattle is the unofficial hub of the Pacific Northwest, with Washington, Oregon, Idaho, & British Columbia.

I think all would work in influence and power outside of their respective states in that regard.

Originally Posted by kidphilly

On the question though I am not sure that influence on regulations is always felt, in PA, there is Philly (and Pittsburgh to a lessor extent) and then many more rural interests which often trump Philly to it's detriment in state politics, The rural population is very large and powerful in PA politics, oddly moreso than is Philly

I would say that economically Philadelphia is the heavy weight for not only Pennsylvania but South Jersey & Delaware too.

I think this can correlate the pendulums and De Facto hubs for every mega region (especially the ones that extend beyond state boundaries):


There appears to be many logical ways to approach this topic, many cities have different variations for their power & influence that separate them from others.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by DANNYY

But how could I get it for the countries though, countries with a massive population like China, Brazil, India would just top that list in comparison to the cities?
Or even the income generated total by the 50 states. This is interesting though, totals up all of the net generated income in an area.

Yes agree - dont think the stats are available by country, maybe by state - either way is amazing how strong thr output is from so many Amaerican cities!

Originally Posted by DANNYY

I would say that economically Philadelphia is the heavy weight for not only Pennsylvania but South Jersey & Delaware too.

I think this can correlate the pendulums and De Facto hubs for every mega region (especially the ones that extend beyond state boundaries):


There appears to be many logical ways to approach this topic, many cities have different variations for their power & influence that separate them from others.

I would agree that Philly is the economic engine for the state of PA and DE too, South Jersey yes, but Jersey as a whole would be 65-70% NYC influnce and the remainder (South Jersey) Philly influenced

Interesting thread:

Sort of on topic - the Boswash corrider as a whole is far more influential than any state or combination of states from the region

[DANNYY]

Haha, this is the first time I have seen you Multi-Quote!

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Yes agree - dont think the stats are available by country, maybe by state - either way is amazing how strong thr output is from so many Amaerican cities!

Its amazing how 8 American cities crack the charts for the top 40 economies in the world by output and many of which beat out countries with millions of more people. American ingenuity at its best!

Originally Posted by kidphilly

I would agree that Philly is the economic engine for the state of PA and DE too, South Jersey yes, but Jersey as a whole would be 65-70% NYC influnce and the remainder (South Jersey) Philly influenced

On CSA, don't some parts of Philadelphia's Metro extend into Maryland as well?
So thats Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey (Southern portion at least), & Maryland (parts of). Totaling out to about 4 different states or so.

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Sort of on topic - the Boswash corrider as a whole is far more influential than any state or combination of states from the region

As a country the Bos-Wash corridor would have the 5th largest economy in the world by output.
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458

Washington DC-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783

Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406

Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $331,897
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,838
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,945

Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA: $74.5 Billion

Bos-Wash Total: $2.808 Trillion (Basically either 5th or 6th largest economy in the world either tied with France or slightly lower than France)

I know this is a bit off though, I couldn't find the GDP for Atlantic City MSA, otherwise I would have added that in as well.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by DANNYY

Haha, this is the first time I have seen you Multi-Quote!.

Well am using the cut and paste - there has to be an easier way

Originally Posted by DANNYY

Its amazing how 8 American cities crack the charts for the top 40 economies in the world by output and many of which beat out countries with millions of more people. American ingenuity at its best!

On CSA, don't some parts of Philadelphia's Metro extend into Maryland as well?
So thats Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey (Southern portion at least), & Maryland (parts of). Totaling out to about 4 different states or so.
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It is Cecil county (Actually an MSA county believe Philly is the only MSA with 4 states)at the extreme North Eastern portion of MD - this area is actually somewhat laughable - it is one of the more rural counties in the NE corrider, small population and qualifies because of commuters into New Castle (Wilmington) county DE - I would actually guess that this area is more dominated by Baltimore from a media and sports perspective - just as an example it is not part of the Philly DMA (which is closer in size to Chicago than Dallas) but other areas are excluded from the Philly MSA like AC, Trenton, Reading etc. but I digress...

Originally Posted by DANNYY

As a country the Bos-Wash corridor would have the 5th largest economy in the world by output.
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458

Washington DC-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783

Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406

Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $331,897
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,838
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,945

Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA: $74.5 Billion

Bos-Wash Total: $2.808 Trillion (Basically either 5th or 6th largest economy in the world either tied with France or slightly lower than France)

I know this is a bit off though, I couldn't find the GDP for Atlantic City MSA, otherwise I would have added that in as well.

And you could add the following MSAs to the BosWash corrider Allentown/Beth PA/ Atlantic City / Lancaster/ Worcester MA / Ocen City NJ / Salisbury MD / Dover DE etc - maybe another ~150 Bill but you got the pic - truly an economic engine - think at times even with all the pub - the true economic output of the greater region is sometimes not truly appreciated

[HtownLove]

NY is a phenomenon. I wonder how does London and Manchester in the UK rank among these top 40 countries?

[Ghost of Blasphamany]

NY is city that runs world. NY goes down, world goes down with it

[LINative]

The States have more power than the cities you listed. At the very least, if a state wanted to, it could ABOLISH any local city.

I live in the New York suburbs. We are more affected by what goes on in Albany (or Trenton) than what goes on in New York City Hall. For instance, local school aid comes from Albany not Mayor Bloomberg.

Another example: Mayor Bloomberg would love to restart the "commuter tax" on suburbanites working in the city, but it is only the State of New York which can grant NYC that power. So far, they have refused.

[adavi215]

Originally Posted by LINative

The States have more power than the cities you listed. At the very least, if a state wanted to, it could ABOLISH any local city.

I live in the New York suburbs. We are more affected by what goes on in Albany (or Trenton) than what goes on in New York City Hall. For instance, local school aid comes from Albany not Mayor Bloomberg.

Another example: Mayor Bloomberg would love to restart the "commuter tax" on suburbanites working in the city, but it is only the State of New York which can grant NYC that power. So far, they have refused.

I think this post is a good reason why there needs to be a focus on the metropolitan area. Without a doubt, metros are the true economic engine of states and the country. But their true growth and potential is inhibited by state (rural mainly) politics.

[waronxmas]

I too agree that in most cases, the main Metro area is the make or break determination of the success of a state.

The exceptions would be California, Texas, Florida and Ohio for their abundance of medium sized metros. New York would have been a good example when upstate cities such as Buffalo and Rochester were doing better.

[barneyg]

Dannyy -- I think there's a disconnect between the data you provide, which speaks of economic importance, and your poll, which is about influence on regulation. Metros and local governments have very little direct influence on regulation other than, well, metro/local matters.

If I want to understand the economic or demographic structure of the US or any country really, I want to look at metro/urban areas. But that won't help me understand the political reality of the US, either at the state or federal level. (e.g. political power of the NYC MSA is diluted because its population is scattered throughout 3 states, not entirely unlike the well-known 2003 Texas redistricting story.