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View Poll Results: Do you still believe Cities/Metros are less influential than their respective states
Yes, states are still more influential than cities/metros 4 14.81%
No, cities have the power to influence regulations of their states and region 7 25.93%
Some cities & their metros are more influential than their states, other cities are not 16 59.26%
Other Option (Please post the option) 0 0%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

Old 10-19-2010, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DANNYY View Post
Are there any Metro Areas that are even more important than their anchor state? By anchor state I mean the state where the principle city is in.

I would have to say yes actually, New York City, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, immediately come to mind and depending on how you look at it, Baltimore too perhaps.

What are the fundamentals of this kind of relationship between these metros & their respective states?
Does it cause to more of a divide between those living in the state and how they view these Metro areas?

New York State's GDP is 1.1 Trillion whereas New York City-NJ-CT CSA's GDP is 1.4 Trillion. Even with MSA New York City's GDP is 1.2 Trillion.

New York State GDP- $1.144 Trillion

Compared to New York City CSA-

New York City-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458

Boston is another one that comes to mind in this sense:

Massachusetts State GDP- $364 Billion

Compared to Boston CSA

Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406

The reason I said Baltimore is more important than Maryland is because Baltimore has the benefit of being apart of a larger Metro area with Washington DC which encompasses area from Maryland, parts of West Virginia, & Northern portion of Virginia.

Maryland's State GDP- $273 Billion

Compared to Washington DC-Baltimore CSA-

Washington DC-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783

Philadelphia & Chicago's Metro areas don't surpass their respective anchor states GDP but the influence both have on their state cann deem them to seem like they are more important than their states. For example, those living in the Chicagoland Metro Area in Wisconsin & Indiana are more able to relate to Chicago than to Illinois in general.

Philadelphia in general (at least to me) strikes me more as a city in New Jersey than a city in Pennsylvania. Due how how close Philadelphia's ties are with New Jersey (I would say maybe even closer than that of its ties with Pennsylvania) and the rest of the Northeast Coastal Corridor compared to the inland cities like Pittsburgh & Buffalo.

I agree with this article: Global cities will drive world economy - Houston Tomorrow Which states that states are becoming less relevant and cities and their respective metro areas around the world are becoming the next world powers (respectively). And the signs are all there even in our own country, some of these cities control more and influence more than their own respective states.

Any thoughts about any of this? Can anyone else add in any other Metro Areas that could possibly address the theme of this thread?

Please try to answer the questions in bold.

You have it backwards for Maryland/Baltimore and the city of D.C. itself has zero influence over the surrounding states, the influence comes from the federal level which can be said for Denver and LA even at one point.

The MD D.C. and Va actually aren't very fond of each other and will compete more than cooperate.

No one region in Maryland controls the whole state, I would say the state governments reaches into all parts of the state.

Baltimore has influence over its own region but doesn't influence anything in Maryland National Capital region. Baltimore does have some sway when choosing a governor but not so far and beyond.

Montgomery County is considered the economic engine of Maryland but not so far and beyond that it single handily carries the state, in fact I believe Baltimore area has more office space and def more under construction at this point than D.C. area. It's said that 40% of the office space under construction in the country today is in the Baltimore/Wash region.

As far as economic prosperity, overall the states have the biggest influence because of laws like the corporate income tax, their are some exceptions like New york city but that's an anomaly. Also keep in mind many big cities in states are the Capital so they will not let them go into decay.
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kidphilly View Post
I would agree that Philly is the economic engine for the state of PA and DE too, South Jersey yes, but Jersey as a whole would be 65-70% NYC influnce and the remainder (South Jersey) Philly influenced
Philadelphia is the engine for the Southeastern part of PA..North of Reading/Allentown NYC and Scranton pretty much are in play...and west of Harrisburg is all Pittsburgh dominated even found out that Erie is more influenced by Pittsburgh than Cleveland or Buffalo (Didnt know that one).....

Rural PA does have too much political power for Philly and Pittsburgh to ever cast an "NYC to NYS" dominating cloud over PA
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:19 AM
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What about Boise and Idaho, Des Moines and Iowa, Omaha and Nebraska, and Cheyenne and Wyoming? Anybody familar with these areas? I know these areas are not super huge metros but I think an analysis of this relationship would prove interesting to the OP question.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TheJetSet View Post
You have it backwards for Maryland/Baltimore and the city of D.C. itself has zero influence over the surrounding states, the influence comes from the federal level which can be said for Denver and LA even at one point.
You're talking strictly in a political sense. For people who live in the wider DC area, DC has enormous influence in terms of jobs, universities, cultural attractions, historic sites, nightlife, etc.
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