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Yea in that sense. The beltway is an older freeway than loop 1604.
San Antonio's lopsided growth to mostly the north, east and west has equaled to very little development on the far southside. Loop 1604 on the southern section is now just starting to show some development in that area, with Texas A&M and the Toyota plant and new master planned communities. Because of this lopsided growth Loop 1604 South is underdeveloped.
Oddly the highest concentration of highways in the country is North Jersey yet there is hardly a rumble - yes there is a facination with highways it seems in some parts
If you were to change the definition of "skyscraper" then these numbers would change too--sometimes drastically, depending on the city. For example, the SF MSA only has 18 building over 500 feet, but if we were to count 400 foot buildings as skyscrapers, than the SF MSA jumps up to 45. If we count all highrises from say, 200 feet upwards, than the SF MSA jumps to at least 189 (189 for SF and Oakland alone)...and if we count all buildings of about 100' and taller (Commercial Real Estate Information and Construction Data | Emporis.com seems to define a "high rise" as 100+ feet) within SF city limits alone, then you get a total of 418; more high rises than any US city aide from NYC, LA, Chicago, and Honolulu.
A list like this implies that city A, with 50 total high rises, 10 of which are 500'+ tall, is "taller" than city B, with 200 total high rises, of which only 4 are 500'+ tall. Doesn't really make sense except for arbitrary comparison of ultimately arbitrary and meaningless stuff...yeah i guess Dallas may have more "tallest" buildings than SF does, but SF undoubtedly has more tall buildings in total. Hell SF alone has more total high rises than Dallas and Fort Worth combined.
I agree, and the litmus test is to actually go to the city. For me SF is #2 in the US in terms of downtown/vibrancy/density/urban feel.
Yea in that sense. The beltway is an older freeway than loop 1604.
San Antonio's lopsided growth to mostly the north, east and west has equaled to very little development on the far southside. Loop 1604 on the southern section is now just starting to show some development in that area, with Texas A&M and the Toyota plant and new master planned communities. Because of this lopsided growth Loop 1604 South is underdeveloped.
lol, how much of 1604 is occupied?
Heck, how much of 410 is occupied. For most of its run 1604 is a small country road, it is only in the north and some parts of the west that 1604 is real highway material. when 1604 becomes a real highway all the way around then we can talk
San Antonio at one time had the second highest amount of state highways after L.A. according to Txhywman website. Of course that was several years ago it might have lost that status. I've also heard sources say San Antonio had the second largest freeway system after L.A. in total freeway miles. San Antonio's total is around 3,200 miles of total freeway. It doesn't have the same traffic counts as Houston freeways but overall freeway size it is bigger.
Houston total freeway system 2,548
http://mobility.tamu.edu/mmp/FHWA-HOP-05-018/appendices/PDFs/houston.pdf (broken link)
As of the end of 2006, there were 1,014 centerline miles and 3,260 lane miles of state-maintained roadways in Bexar County. Approximately 210 centerline miles and 1,100 lane miles of that total were controlled-access freeways.
a state maintained roadway does not equal a freeway
the site you listed for Houston is 7 years old. New Highways and extensions have been build since then, but even with 7 year old data, Houston's total freeway miles are twice as long as SA (1100 to 2548)
here are SA's General Stats: (nothing to shout about)
General statistics
[SIZE=2]Number in parenthesis is the San Antonio Urbanized Area's rank nationally for that category.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Centerline miles of freeway: 211 (22)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Interstate highway miles: 135[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]US and State highway miles: 76[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Lane miles of freeway: 1,101 (25)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Daily vehicle miles driven on freeways: 18,259,000 (23)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Average daily traffic per freeway segment: 86,535 (51)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Average daily traffic per freeway lane: 16,584 (44)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Percent of local roads that are freeways: 4.0% (73)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Percent of total local daily traffic carried on freeways: 51.0% (26)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]For Houston I found these stats on a another website:[/SIZE]
In the Houston MSA, 3,703 lane miles of freeways and expressways are in operation.
Houston has more miles of HOV (High-Occupancy Vehicle) lanes than any other U.S. city - with more than 208 total miles. Houston Transportation | Greater Houston Partnership
and this site talks about updates to the site you posted from 2003 to 2007
it also gave a horrible pic of 45 near the Woodlands during Rita:
Heck, how much of 410 is occupied. For most of its run 1604 is a small country road, it is only in the north and some parts of the west that 1604 is real highway material. when 1604 becomes a real highway all the way around then we can talk
I think we need to make a freeway thread cause you and I already took this off topic.
Your right about the south but the only part that is two lanes and mostly through rural exburbia is far south. This will change with all the new projects to balance growth on that side of town. Loop 1604 on the North, West and east are congested. Some parts of 1604 are considered some of the most congested in the city. It will be decades before 1604 on the far south side will start to resemble the northen parts.
The stats I listed were 2006 for San Antonio. Roadways is highways maintained by TXDOT, don't change the words around. It's 3,260 lane miles versus 2,548 lane miles for Houston, and 1100 centerline miles versus 383 centerline for Houston. Your are counting metro for Houston, San Antonio stats are within Bexar County only.
nope, your own site you posted listed 1000 for SA.
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