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I think rah already mentioned goonzy's thread in the SF Forum a long time ago.
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****Golden Gate County, the New San Francisco County****
San Francisco,Golden Gate, California, USA
Golden Gate county is a proposal for a new county in the state of California. The new Golden Gate county would compose of the counties of Marin, San Francisco and San Mateo with the Santa Clara county cities of Palo Alto,Mountain View and Los Altos given the option to join.
San Francisco shares a rich history with San Mateo and Marin counties. San Mateo county was actually once part of San Francisco county and until this day holds San Francisco's airports,cemeteries, jails, arenas(Cow Palace), drinking supply and many other venues and San Franciscan institutions including a town called South San Francisco locally referred to as "South City". Marin county also shares a rich history with San Francisco all the way up to it's founding. Mission San Rafael was the first settlement in what is now Marin county and Mission San Rafael was founded as an extension of Mission Dolores in San Francisco. Palo alto, Mountain View and Los Altos in Santa Clara county would be given the option to join the GGC if they so wish seeing as they are physically and geographically located on the San Francisco Peninsula. The Golden Gate communities share a common and cultural history and also share a rich and prosperous future.
As you know San Francisco is a city and county onto its own while San Mateo and Marin are suburbs without a city. By uniting San Francisco to its suburbs to the north and south a new golden era is sure to hit the communities of the Golden Gate. All the benefits of having a world class city in your county will be had by San Mateo and Marin and all the benefits of having suburbs and open space will be had by San Francisco. This merger would automatically make GGC the richest county in the United States accompanied by a golden era of prosperity not just for the newly formed Golden Gate county but for the entire Bay Area/Northern California region.
Its all quite delusional...makes me cringe reading that last part I highlighted. I don't know how such a consolidation instantly ushers in a 'golden era of prosperity'.
Anyway, two-thirds of Bay Area forumers voted hell NO. LOL
Its wonderful that California has plenty of people on both extremes and many in the middle.
Your constant picking on SF doesnt change the fact that its still one of the most successful and affluent cities in the world, with by far the best downtown for 1,500 miles in any direction. The city is a magnet of very highly educated people and they are more open minded to ideas and concepts that others might not get.
And that's okay. Isnt it?
But California doesn't have a lot of people on the extremes. The conservatives never win an election and Green party members are restricted to school boards and mayor\ city councils. That leaves the liberals who control California; if that is what you mean by the "middle" then I agree with you.
My point is that California is more concerned about the welfare of the state than making fortunes for the wealthy. And because the state is so desirable the rich people gladly pay their own fair share. Almost in every election another proposition to raise taxes is passed by the voters [example: high speed rail] where other states deal with stingy and narrow-sighted residents too cheap to even care about the future. Must admit I was surprised that the voters turned down a car tax that would fund the state parks in this most recent election.
You do realize that Manhattan and the Bronx are in the Lower Hudson Valley too, right?
So now Manhattan isn't in NYC?
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Originally Posted by goonzy
Half of NYC is in Long Island and most residents of NYC live in Long Island(Queens and Brooklyn). What do you have to say about that?
First thing it's ON Long Island, not IN. Learn the local lingo.
Second, no, Brooklyn and Queens aren't considered to be ON Long Island. Yes, we know they are part of the same physical landmass, but there is no Brooklyn and Queens resident who would say they live on Long Island.
And Brooklyn and Queens are outer portions of NYC. They are not the core.
Manhattan is the core, and parts of Manhattan ARE physically connected to the Bronx and Westchester. Not sure why it's relevant, but you seem obsessed with whether or not there's a river in the way.
Ever heard of Marble Hill? Probably not. It's a Manhattan neighborhood that's directly connected to the Bronx and Westchester County.
going back to that 6th boro rant, Goonzy - i've never heard anyone say that long island was the 6th borough, and I'm a new yorker. The 6th borough is Yonkers or Jersey City/Hudson co.
Brooklyn and Queens are geographically located on Long Island. This doesn't make a case for Long Island though, BK and Queens are clearly a part of NYC- try telling the residents in Brooklyn that they're from Long Island.
That's like telling someone from Staten Island that they're from Jersey.
Same concept goes for the people living in Yonkers/MtV/NR etc- Most of them don't associate themselves with the whole "Lower Hudson Valley" region. Bergen County can also be classified as "Lower Hudson Valley", but that area has already made up its mind.
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Population break up for the NYC area:
Long Island: 2.75 Million
Northern NJ: 3.5 Million
Westchester/Rockland: 1.21 Million
South Western CT: 882K
NY: 47%
NJ: 42%
CT: 11%
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There's other "far flung sub" regions of the metro area, but these are the "main" parts of the metro area. Roughly 8.34 million is the total- That's comparable to the Bay area's 7.4 million- So I don't see why you can't compare the immediate NYC metro area to the Bay area.
But California doesn't have a lot of people on the extremes. The conservatives never win an election and Green party members are restricted to school boards and mayor\ city councils. That leaves the liberals who control California; if that is what you mean by the "middle" then I agree with you.
My point is that California is more concerned about the welfare of the state than making fortunes for the wealthy. And because the state is so desirable the rich people gladly pay their own fair share. Almost in every election another proposition to raise taxes is passed by the voters [example: high speed rail] where other states deal with stingy and narrow-sighted residents too cheap to even care about the future. Must admit I was surprised that the voters turned down a car tax that would fund the state parks in this most recent election.
Are you talking about PEOPLE or POLITICIANS? You seem to think that CA's politicians are representative of it's general population, it's not at all. Due to GERRYMANDERING, our politicians tend to be farther left or right than their constituents. There is a reason our legislature has a whopping 10% approval rating. The middle means "moderate", not "liberal".
Also I don't know what elections you're looking at but many props to raise taxes at the state level are usually defeated. And at the local level it can go either way. And there was no "TAX" to build high speed rail, it was BONDS. Considering it takes 67% of voters to raise taxes, it's very difficult at times to do so. What taxes are you thinking of?
California's relationship with business is to hold them accountable for the best interests of the nation. If they pollute the air they will be fined up the butt and sued. If they treat their employees like surfs then the state will sue them and fine them up the butt. Industry is taxed so that the money can be applied to community needs. Capitalism in Europe is the model California emulates. Socialists are interested in a world where crime is nearly non-existent, everyone has health care, education thru college is paid by the state, the environment is vastly more important than any one individual and mankind is responsible for the welfare of the earth. This is the message California articulates and San Francisco is probably the center of this mindset.
California is the future of America.
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Originally Posted by californio sur
Your point is exactly what the conflict is in California. We do not think that what is good for business necessarily translates into why is good for Americans. California is willing to see companies move to Texas where air quality standards are practically non-existent. We see companies who knowingly pollute the air and kill people as criminals and gladly escort them out of the state. If the rest of America is willing to drink the koolaid of corrupt capitalism you can be sure that California will not join the ignorant horde and why California voted overwhelmingly Democratic when the rest of the nation jumped on the bandwagon of repulsive Republicanism.
That's some dangerous thinking right there...I think I'd prefer to be a capitalist country still. I don't think I'm alone here. I don't necessarily agree with the "no corporate taxes, no income taxes" political philosophy that some of the Sun Belt states have adopted...but this BS "We are California and we know what is better for the people" is ridiculous. Get your own house in order before you start trying to tell everyone else what to do.
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Originally Posted by goonzy
Making money is not everything!!!!!!
Umm....yes it is.
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I just realized today that some of the people posting here are just plain retarted, ignorant, or just plain stupid if not a combination of the 3.
You spelled "retarded" wrong.
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Originally Posted by goonzy
And Texas is friendly to big buisness and corperations and offer huge tax cuts to its wealthiest residents while at the same time taxing the lower income brackets by a greater percent then most other states. This is a terrible buisness model and its the reason we are in this depression.
No it's not.
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Bush brought this Texas model on the national level and look how well that turned out for us you freakin IDIOT! Your a republican arent you, probly one of those retarted A$$ tea partyers. Or I mean Tea Baggers as you originally called yourselves you out of touch with the rest of the country religious wack-O's.
Politically, Republicans certainly played a major role in the current recession...but so did Democrats. I find it hard to point the finger at one side and lay total blame. In terms of the companies and people which contributed to create this mess, you do realize that your beloved California played an enormous role in this, right? A huge majority of the failed home loans which were packaged into securities originated in California. Every state played a role, with other starring roles being played by Florida, Nevada, and Arizona. However, no one was quite like California in terms of originate & sell loans. If you want me to go into further details, I can.
Before you start making assumptions as to my religious standpoint and political affiliations, I'll just say I'm not religious, I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
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Originally Posted by goonzy
Texas is the energy capitol of the World. and most energy comes from fossil fuels.
*cough*Riyadh*cough*Moscow*cough*
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Originally Posted by californio sur
You are correct and the word "socialist" does not frighten Californians in a knee-jerk of reactionary hysteria that seems to occur in much of America. If being socialist means a better world than any American would be a fool to not want that but, of-course, fools are in abundance in America especially states that vote Republican.
Dude I'm in a state that is about as liberal as it gets and you sound insane. I'm all for adopting some socialist ideas (Welfare, medicaid, etc.)...but I feel like some of this is getting pushed a little far. A healthy private sector is what makes us thrive as a country.
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair
I think rah already mentioned goonzy's thread in the SF Forum a long time ago.
Its all quite delusional...makes me cringe reading that last part I highlighted. I don't know how such a consolidation instantly ushers in a 'golden era of prosperity'.
Anyway, two-thirds of Bay Area forumers voted hell NO. LOL
What I find particularly hilarious about the highlighted part is that he's talking about how it would be the "richest" part of the country...yet in previous posts he's praising socialism. I can only imagine what this dude is like in real life...I'm guessing hemp necklace, douchey ultra-liberal clothes which he got at a thrift store to give the appearance that he "doesn't care", iPhone, Pabst Blue Ribbon...oh and glasses so he appears like an intellectual despite the fact there are no prescription lenses in them. He criticizes capitalism but has no trouble grabbing money from the account his father, a hedge fund manager, has set up for him.
That's some dangerous thinking right there...I think I'd prefer to be a capitalist country still. I don't think I'm alone here. I don't necessarily agree with the "no corporate taxes, no income taxes" political philosophy that some of the Sun Belt states have adopted...but this BS "We are California and we know what is better for the people" is ridiculous. Get your own house in order before you start trying to tell everyone else what to do.
Umm....yes it is.
You spelled "retarded" wrong.
No it's not.
Politically, Republicans certainly played a major role in the current recession...but so did Democrats. I find it hard to point the finger at one side and lay total blame. In terms of the companies and people which contributed to create this mess, you do realize that your beloved California played an enormous role in this, right? A huge majority of the failed home loans which were packaged into securities originated in California. Every state played a role, with other starring roles being played by Florida, Nevada, and Arizona. However, no one was quite like California in terms of originate & sell loans. If you want me to go into further details, I can.
Before you start making assumptions as to my religious standpoint and political affiliations, I'll just say I'm not religious, I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
*cough*Riyadh*cough*Moscow*cough*
Dude I'm in a state that is about as liberal as it gets and you sound insane. I'm all for adopting some socialist ideas (Welfare, medicaid, etc.)...but I feel like some of this is getting pushed a little far. A healthy private sector is what makes us thrive as a country.
What I find particularly hilarious about the highlighted part is that he's talking about how it would be the "richest" part of the country...yet in previous posts he's praising socialism. I can only imagine what this dude is like in real life...I'm guessing hemp necklace, douchey ultra-liberal clothes which he got at a thrift store to give the appearance that he "doesn't care", iPhone, Pabst Blue Ribbon...oh and glasses so he appears like an intellectual despite the fact there are no prescription lenses in them. He criticizes capitalism but has no trouble grabbing money from the account his father, a hedge fund manager, has set up for him.
Long-live the hipster!
great post +4 (well can only do one, and CD says I have to spread it around - must be a CA socialist site)
great post +4 (well can only do one, and CD says I have to spread it around - must be a CA socialist site)
I am glad to share the rep with all of my comrades.
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