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Eh, I always figured Washington DC needs Baltimore more than it can admit to it. They do make a good team of cities. And personally I think of them as completely opposite cities, which makes the entire area from Virginia to Maryland more appealing.
Two major cities, some of the greatest suburbs, and completely different dynamics in the cities. They are two separate entities for sure, but they are really powerful when together.
LOL damn, this entire thread is lit with super long posts from me going on a Los Angeles vs Bay Area run.
Dc is the only city attaching itself to another city, baltimore is not isnt d*ck riding dc. They damn sure arent doing us any favors. Its annoying to when u think about it: Baltimore is now a DC suburb. The only benefit to living in baltimore is its proximity to dc... philly will have this issue in the near future. Hell, people can talk about oakland, ca without mentioning sf, and they are the same MSA. The only people that call this the "dc-baltimore" are people that are not from here...Nobody in baltimore claims dc as "our area" hell most people consider going to dc as "going out of town"...
Come to think it, does the rest of america think baltimore has an identity? Were not northern were not southern, were part of the greater dc area, people get killed here.. oh and they filmed the wire here....smfh
No Arnold went to Washington DC, to get bailout also for his state of 38 Million people, but in turn all he got was "Balance your budget yourself" from the Federal Government, whereas Wall Street got the Bailout because it influences Washington DC more than Washington DC can influence it. Out country runs on capitalism, and Washington DC knows that New York City runs Finance, and if that goes down, our country's economy is going down.
In Great Depression in 1929 happened because of New York City, Wall Street crashed and it left the worst economic chaos in American History. That is what that one industry can do to our country, the only other two niche industries that are comparable in power and influence as Energy & Federal Government.
So technically New York City is the only one to receive bailout, over 50 US States that need some method of funding, that speaks volumes of how influential New York City is.
A couple points I would disagree with:
1) NYC was refused a bailout in the 70s, leading to the famous "Ford to NY: drop Dead" headline.
2) The stimulus bill provided billions in "bailouts" to state governments, which unlike the banks they are not required to pay back.
3) Lots of industries get bail outs during periods of uncertainty. The Auto industry was also bailed out, the airlines have been bailed out, etc.
4) The Wall Street crash was an important event leading up to the Great Depression. But, it didn't single handedly cause the depression. Much like the current downturn, Wall Street acted irresponsibly and had a role in perpetuating the crisis, but the actual economic downturn was driven by forces broader than just Wall Street. A low domestic saving rate, careless borrowers, lax monetary policy, etc.
I recently moved to NYC and think it is the coolest city in the county by many miles. But, the entire world doesn't revolve around it.
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Come to think it, does the rest of america think baltimore has an identity? Were not northern were not southern, were part of the greater dc area, people get killed here.. oh and they filmed the wire here....smfh
I'll be honest with you here.
I went to school, in High School for AP (Advanced Placement) US History, we had several required reading books. Many of which took place in Virginia & Maryland. A lot of them had to do with the liberation of African Americans and the movement for Civil Rights.
Even before that, English III in High School, English II, & English I we touched up on a lot of reading, and most of them were set in Maryland as a matter of fact. US History in 8th grade, again learned quite a good bit about Virginia & Maryland there. The "Big State-Small State Compromise" the "3/5ths Compromise" and so on and so forth.
And then finally with my own interests came to learn Baltimore was once the 2nd largest American city, held that title for 3 decades nearly, and was the 2nd largest city in America after only New York City at one point.
I would say Baltimore has its own identity, after achieving things like that, and being popular (And yes the place is VERY popular in literature as is Saint Louis) and of course being one of the only cities to be the 2nd largest American city that only Philadelphia, Chicago, Baltimore, & Los Angeles know what that feels like. I would say it strictly has its own identity and by no means is a "suburb" of anyone.
I am very well aware of Baltimore and its past. And I can make the same claim for Saint Louis as well. Both cities, I kid you not are very popular in literature and history classes. At least for me it was in the school district and college I go to.
And for the record, I don't think Baltimore (or Washington DC, Virginia, & the rest of Maryland for that matter) are Northern or Southern. And no, Mid-Atlantic is not the appropriate term for it either. Yes Baltimore looks and feels very similar to a lot of Philadelphia, but no I do not consider Baltimore to be in the same region or Sub-Region (Southeast) as Atlanta, or in the same region or even Sub-Region (Mid-Atlantic) as Philadelphia. (In my opinion)
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I recently moved to NYC and think it is the coolest city in the county by many miles. But, let's not pretend the entire world revolves around it.
I don't think the world revolves around New York City. I was taught in High School the Great Depression of 1929 was caused by Wall Street Crash. In which case, I would have to agree with that even now.
Wall Street, along with Oil & Gas, & Federal Government make up probably the most sensitive industries in American economy. Anything goes wrong it affects large networks of companies and people. Large corporations are all tied to Wall Street regardless of what they are for and about.
Alright, I'm going out on a limb and voted other, and here's why:
There's really no way to compare areas that specialize in unlike things on any equal level. It's hard to measure how much more "important" the nation's capital (DC) is from the 2nd largest city and largest city on the West Coast (LA), from the largest technological center in the world (Bay Area), to the most important commodities exchange in the US (Chicago). You COULD use GDP as some sort of equalizer (since money places all things as equal), but that doesn't get into the intangibles of how important a place is. For example, DC doesn't have the largest GDP in the country, but no one will say that what doesn't go on there has no effect on our lives. How do you measure things like that?
It's like saying that breathing oxygen is more important than not drowning. BOTH are important for survival.
I don't think anyone here will dispute the importance of NYC on the nation, because that's clearly just stupid. I don't think anyone will dispute the importance of LA and Chicago on the United States, simply due to the large size of the two, bringing the assumption that those two MUST be important on some sort of level. Since DC is the capital of the United States, I don't think most people take issue with its importance.
SF is something that a lot of people on CD would dispute, and in real life, simply because a huge chunk of people don't associate Silicon Valley with it, and keeps itself low key on what the area actually does. The economic impact of the Bay Area is wide and huge, but it has to be one of the best kept secrets in the United States because most people simply don't know what "special" place the metro area holds in the grand scheme of things. In fact, I've met a lot of people who associate the Bay Area's accomplishments with LA than with SF (Silicon Valley, the Gold Rush, etc etc), as sad as it is. It's amazing how quiet a whole lot of Bay Area residents are about their own area, and what they actually do. A lot of that has to do with media attention: when it comes to perceptions of SF, it nearly SOLELY focuses on some warped 60's media perception of what was going on in Haight-Ashbury, the Summer of Love, and its inherent consequences today. SF is more known for hippies than for producing anything. Ironic, because the Bay Area is probably one of the MOST Capitalistic places in the United States (a disproportionate chunk of venture funding goes here), but is KNOWN for being one of the most "Socialistic/Communist" places in the US.
If the Bay Area can change its media perception domestically, I think it's place would be more secure.
NOTE: LA is obviously the most important place to ME because I grew up here, and live here now. Oh, and this
Yeah, I know that the Clippers, Kings, and Ducks exist here too, but they are like the Chicago Cubs in their respective sports Except the Ducks, but I don't know anyone here that cares about Hockey.
And I always deflate a Bay Area resident's head by saying "how does it feel to know that when someone mentions the word 'California', everyone thinks of a place 400 miles south of here?" Haha All in good fun. Just as long as you don't say 'hella' around me!
i still say dc is more influential. they can take your hard-earned money and make you give it to somebody else. as a matter of fact, they can STEAL your money.... it doesnt get any more influential than that.
i also think LA has more of an impact than SF.
-LA has is the 18th largest economy in the world.
-the nations busiest trade center
-the manufacturing capital of america
-music & film capital of america - more tourist than anywhere else in the country ( yes that includes NYC)
No, that doesn't include NYC. Not even close. What a joke.
Most visited cities by overall overseas travelers 2009
1. New York City - 7,792,000
2. Miami - 2,661,000 3. Los Angeles - 2,518,000
4. Orlando - 2,399,000
5, San Francisco - 2,233,000
6. Las Vegas - 1,853,000
7. Washington - 1,544,000
8. Honolulu - 1,497,000
9. Boston - 1,140,000
10. Chicago - 1,118,000
11. San Diego - 618,000
12. Philadelphia - 594,000
13. Atlanta - 570,000
14. Houston - 428,000
actually, London is the financial capital of the world. the UN is just a "living room" if u ask me, and is technically "international territory". culturally, it's a toss-up between NYC & LA.
Last year, NYC was considered the "Financial Capital"....New York and London trade spots every few years so there is no clear financial capital. New York's Financial wizards are also far richer than their London counterparts.
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fashion, to each is own.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Los Angeles is in no way considered a top fashion capital, LOL. That goes to Paris/New York/Milan.
There's really no way to compare areas that specialize in unlike things on any equal level. It's hard to measure how much more "important" the nation's capital (DC) is from the 2nd largest city and largest city on the West Coast (LA), from the largest technological center in the world (Bay Area), to the most important commodities exchange in the US (Chicago). You COULD use GDP as some sort of equalizer (since money places all things as equal), but that doesn't get into the intangibles of how important a place is. For example, DC doesn't have the largest GDP in the country, but no one will say that what doesn't go on there has no effect on our lives. How do you measure things like that?
You hit the nail on the head here. There really is no 100% objective way of measuring these things. Gwac and some other lists attempt to do it, but even there biggest boosters would have to admit they all have major flaws.
I guess that is why these lists are so popular, nobody can really be disproven. They all turn out the same, all go on for pages and at the end nobody's mind is ever changed.
SF, NY, DC, CHI are the "Big 4". Any attempt to place L.A up there is laughable
Yeah, who would place one of the world's largest cities and economies on this list?
After all, LA is only the world's leading mass culture center. It's only one of the most iconic places on the planet. It's only one of the most diverse places on the planet.
Better to put poorer cities half the size on the list, right? Especially those with comparatively little global recognition, like Chicago?
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Oh, and this
Except the Ducks, but I don't know anyone here that cares about Hockey. 
