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Sure, sure. White Plains and Purchase with IBM and Pepsico is clearly just an extension of the Bronx. You cleraly demonstrated a difference between someone who "lived in New York" and a New Yorker.
Wow, just wow. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Please stop embarrasing yourself.
I said LOWER WESTCHESTER. Please consult a map, genius. White Plains and Purchase are nowhere near Lower Westchester or the Bronx!
And yes, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, Pelham and New Rochelle are largely extensions of the Bronx. When walking or driving on Broadway or McLean Avenue, there is no way to tell when you are in the Bronx or Westchester.
Also, you seem to get your ideas about cities from 1970's exploitation flicks. Maybe visit a place before making a ridiculous comment.
The North Bronx, which borders Westchester, is actually nicer than many bordering parts of Westchester. Riverdale, for example, is much more expensive than adjacent parts of Yonkers. Lots of multi-million dollar homes and luxury condos.
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If any place deserves the status of sixth boro it is Nassau and Westchester counties. Nassau served as a sixth boro for decades.
LOL! You are simply lying!
Nassau County was never a Sixth Borough of NYC.
NYC has only had two political boundaries- Manhattan before 1898, and the present Five Boroughs since 1898!
No real New Yorker would ever say that New Jersey is connected to New York culturaly as it is not.
Uh, no.
Tons of New Yorkers move to NJ, and tons of NJ residents move to NY. It's the same metropolitan region (which is obvious to everyone but you).
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New York City is a big city with big city mentality and New Jersey not only does not have a single city over 500,000 but it abandonded its big cities like Newark letting them turn into ghettos.
This is an incredibly uninformed statement.
Municipal boundaries are irrevelent to urbanity. If NYC deannexed the boroughs, would it be less urban? If Bergen County became Bergen City would it become more urban?
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New Jersey has anti-urban, suburban mentality and as such it totally differs from New York City.
Wrong and wrong. First you are comparing a city to a state, which is absurd. Second, NJ is probably the most urban state in the nation.
One could just as easily say "New York State has an anti-urban, suburban mentality and as such it totally differs from Hoboken".
It's a continuos stretch of "urban living" only in New Jersey standards. Everywhere else a stretch like this, void of cultural institutions, would be considered suburban.
Yes, folks in fly-over America would clearly see 30-floor apartment blocks, tenements and rowhouses as suburban.
If the Gold Coast is suburban, then the entire U.S. is suburban except for a few neighborhoods in NYC. Heck, even most of NYC is suburban if our standards are Manhattan-style density.
And there are plenty of cultural insitutions in NJ (NJ PAC, Bergen PAC, Paper Mill, McCarter Arts Center, Liberty Science Center, Newark Museum, JC Museum, Montclair Art, etc. etc.), not that it's relevant to the conversation.
Yes, folks in fly-over America would clearly see 30-floor apartment blocks, tenements and rowhouses as suburban.
If the Gold Coast is suburban, then the entire U.S. is suburban except for a few neighborhoods in NYC. Heck, even most of NYC is suburban if our standards are Manhattan-style density.
And there are plenty of cultural insitutions in NJ (NJ PAC, Bergen PAC, Paper Mill, McCarter Arts Center, Liberty Science Center, Newark Museum, JC Museum, Montclair Art, etc. etc.), not that it's relevant to the conversation.
Dude. Wikipedia calls Hoboken a "bedroom community". I don't know of any better description of suburbs. Few tall office buildings and density of population does not change the fact that those are suburbs, dense and tall but still suburbs. You and most out of staters believe that you can build a few tall buildings, open a few restuarants and bars and all of a sudden you have Manhattan
PS Those cultural institutions you mentioned especially those like NJPAC located in picturesque Newark: keep them
Municipal boundaries are irrevelent to urbanity. If NYC deannexed the boroughs, would it be less urban? If Bergen County became Bergen City would it become more urban?
No, Brooklyn would be a second largest city in the nation and very urban.
And no. Bergen county will never become Bergen City as New Jerseyans don't like big cities. They already abandonded and condemned Newark and there is no single city over 500,000 in the entire state.
Bergen City would be as urban as Clifron NJ. A prime example of NJ urbanity.
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