Oakland, CA vs. Cleveland, OH vs. (live, best, rates, crime rate)
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Just to clarify, Oakland's population is not 420k, infact after this census they maybe under 400k.
Actually, the US census has Oakland at 409,189 people as of 2009, which is up from 408,000 people the year before. The California Department of Finance has Oakland at 430,666 people as of 2010 as well. The CA dept. of finance was closer to reality with its estimates than the census was, in the years leading up to the 2000 census, so theres reason to believe they're pretty accurate these days too.
Okland is an incredible city of it's own, but the fact it's just mere minutes away on BART or by car from San Francisco and the rest of the bay area gives it a huge advantage.
both of these cities are wayyyy high up on the 'dangerous cities' list this year. nonetheless, i really like both of them and wouldn't mind living in either. i guess i'd vote for oakland based on location.
Cleveland is a better city than Oakland in my opinion. Oakland isn't the cultural and economic center of its metro the way Cleveland is, so Cleveland offers considerably more than Oakland. However, I'd live in Oakland over Cleveland any day since Cleveland does not have a San Francisco 15 minutes away.
• Oakland Ballet
• Oakland East Bay Symphony
• Oakland Museum- the world class museum(and only museum) totally devoted to the natural sciences, history, arts, and culture of California
• Has more artists per capita than any other city in the United States, outside of New York City.
• Paramount theater, Fox Theater - historical theaters
• Chabot Space and Science Center
• Coliseum Complex - the premier center for concerts and events
Also the economic center of the East Bay
• the Port of Oakland is responsible for
nearly 200,000 jobs related to it's maritime activities.
• Home to several major corporations
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Cleveland is a better city than Oakland in my opinion. Oakland isn't the cultural and economic center of its metro the way Cleveland is, so Cleveland offers considerably more than Oakland. However, I'd live in Oakland over Cleveland any day since Cleveland does not have a San Francisco 15 minutes away.
I agree with this. Cleveland is the center of it's region and the respective focal point for arts, sports, entertainment, and culture. There is simply more to do in Cleveland because of this. Oakland has the advantage when taking into consideration the entire metro area because the Bay Area is awesome.
History - Cleveland
Demographics - Oakland
Location - Oakland
Cityscape - Cleveland
Landscape - Oakland
Recent Development - Cleveland
Transportation - Cleveland has better rail transit coverage within the city, but BART as a whole is better than Cleveland's RTA.
Economy - Cleveland
Culture - Cleveland
Importance to region - Cleveland
Climate - Oakland
Attractions/Tourism - Cleveland, unless you are counting the metro.
Cleveland seems more alluring for me ... a beautiful city with absolute WORLD CLASS AMENITIES, a rich history, attractive living areas and suburbs, and a much more reasonable cost of living.
Another BIG PLUS for me ... not enduring those California disasters like firestorms, mudslides and earthquakes.
The city exudes a charming quality and a sense of prominence all it's own ... I love it here in Cleveland!
• Oakland Ballet
• Oakland East Bay Symphony
• Oakland Museum- the world class museum(and only museum) totally devoted to the natural sciences, history, arts, and culture of California
• Has more artists per capita than any other city in the United States, outside of New York City.
• Paramount theater, Fox Theater - historical theaters
• Chabot Space and Science Center
• Coliseum Complex - the premier center for concerts and events
Also the economic center of the East Bay
• the Port of Oakland is responsible for
nearly 200,000 jobs related to it's maritime activities.
• Home to several major corporations
•
Oakland sound and looks pretty cool! I not trying to discount Oakland, but compare to Cleveland:
Oakland Ballet
Cleveland no longer has a city Ballet...ceased in 2000. However, we do have such organizations as Cleveland Opera, Cleveland Pops Orchestra, Cleveland Public Theater
Oakland Museum- the world class museum(and only museum) totally devoted to the natural sciences, history, arts, and culture of California
As you may have guessed, Cleveland has TONS of musuems:
1) Cleveland Musuem of Art
2) Rock and Roll HOF
3) Cleveland Museum of Natural History
4) Cleveland Botanical Gardens
5) Dittrick Medical Museum
6) International Women's Air and Space Museum
7) NASA Glenn Research Center Visitor's Center
8) U.S.S. Cod Submarine Museum
9) "A Christmas Story" House and Museum
10) Federal Reserve Money Museum
11) Hungarian Heritage Museum
12) Ukranian Museum
13) Western Reserve Historical Society Museum
14) President Garfield Monument and Museum
15) Museum of Contemporary Art (MOCA!)
16) Children's Museum
17) Cleveland Gray's Armory Museum
18) Soldier's and Sailors Civil War Monument
19) Great Lakes Science Center
20) Steamer William G. Mather Museum
Has more artists per capita than any other city in the United States, outside of New York City.
Impressive! Cleveland has a growing artist scene because of cheap loft space, but no where near those numbers.
Paramount theater, Fox Theater - historical theaters
Cleveland has no shortage of Historical Theaters:
Palace Theater (built 1922)
Hanna Theater (built 1921)
Ohio Theater (built 1921)
State Theater (built 1921)
Allen Theater (built 1921)
14th St. Theater
Playhouse Sqaure is the largest performing arts center outside New York City (eclipsed only by Lincoln Center)
Severance Hall (Cleveland Orchestra) (built 1931):
• Chabot Space and Science Center
Cleveland has:
1) Great Lakes Science Center and IMAX Theater
2) NASA Glenn Research Center
• Coliseum Complex - the premier center for concerts and events
Cleveland has:
Cleveland Browns Stadium
The "Q" (where the Cavs play)
Progressive Field (Cleveland Indians)
Severance Hall (Cleveland Orchestra)
Wolstein Center (Cleveland State Basketball
Cleveland Convention Center (built 1920's)
Playhouse Square Theaters
• the Port of Oakland is responsible for nearly 200,000 jobs related to it's maritime activities.
That's impressive. Downtown Cleveland has about 100,000 daytime workers. Our biggest job market is Healthcare with over 100,000 employed in the metro. Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals are the city's largest employers.
• Home to several major corporations
Same here.
Over 20 in the Fortune 1000 in Northeast Ohio. Progressive Insurance, Sherwin Williams, American Greetings, Eaton Corp, TRW, Parker Hannifin, Lubrizol, KeyCorp,
Nearby Akron has Goodyear and Firestone
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2. Oakland Aviation Museum
3. Pardee Home Museum
4. Museum of Children's Art. (MOCHA!) lol.
4. Oakland Museum of California
5. Camron-Stanford House
6. African American Museum
7. Junior Center of Art and Science
8. Golden State Bonsai Collection
9. Peralta Hacienda Historical Park
10. Cohen Bray House
11. Oakland History Room
12. Merritt Museum of Anthropology
13. Pro Arts Gallery
Oakland has no shortage of Historical theaters either:
The Coliseum Complex, which contains:
*Oakland Coliseum: Home of the Oakland Raiders and the Oakland Athletics
*Oracle Arena: Home of the Golden State Warriors (the largest NBA arena in California) http://cdn.wn.com/pd/91/d6/6c4f5bc26...103_grande.jpg
*Oakland Convention Center - one of the top California Convention Centers
*Kaiser Convention Center - (1914)
*Oakland Mormon Temple
*Oakland's Cathedral of Christ the Light
* Lake Merritt - the Largest Urban Salt-Water Lake in the country. Also the Oldest Wild Life Bird Refuge in the country.
Oakland's largest markets in the metro are:
* (1st) trade, transportation and utilities: 198,000
* (2nd) professional and business services: 143,400
* (3rd) educational and health services: 117,000
Ok. Now you mentioned companies in Cleveland AND in it's CSA of Northeast Ohio. What's in my hand? The San Francisco Bay Area major companies. Meaning, Oakland, San Francisco, and San Jose areas.
Kaiser Permanente, Clorox, Chevron, Apple Inc., Google Inc., Yahoo Inc., Intel, Electronic Arts,
AT&T Inc., Adobe Systems, Oracle, eBay, Bank of America, Bank of the West, Gap, etc..
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