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let us clear up some things.
Comparing a 1.9 mile suburb is a ridiculous comparison to a 200+ sq mile city.
Point two, the NE is NOT the most industrialized area in the country, it originally was, but not any more. This was fueled mostly by textile mills and ports. The NE moved on to a post industrial economy sooner, while the midwest is still stuck in it, hence the rust belt.
The NE is definitely more developed, urbanized, and densely populated. But it is no longer the most industrialized.
I would suggest a hobby, or something like that. Constant bashing and negativity can't be good for anyone. There is also agriculture in New York state - actually, a fair amount of it.
I am sorry I didn't realize that pointing out official statistics showing that Northeastern US is more densely populated, more developed, urbanized and industrialized than Midwest amounts to bashing of the latter. I am sorry if official data actually offends you. Would you rather not know about it? lol
let us clear up some things.
Comparing a 1.9 mile suburb is a ridiculous comparison to a 200+ sq mile city.
I was only trying to illustrate the point that the area surrounding NYC is very different that the one surrounding Chicago. Don't you agree?
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Point two, the NE is NOT the most industrialized area in the country, it originally was, but not any more. This was fueled mostly by textile mills and ports. The NE moved on to a post industrial economy sooner, while the midwest is still stuck in it, hence the rust belt.
I beg to differ. I still think it is, only certain industries were replaced by others. Finance is an industry and so is bio-tech.
Nevertheless, that's just semantics and I will not spend time arguing about it. I appreciate however that you agreed with the obvious, which is that:
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Originally Posted by grapico;
"The NE is definitely more developed, urbanized, and densely populated." .
It seems that some posters here believe the statement above to be a piece of shameless East Coast propaganda in a brutal attempt to bash Midwest. which according to their beliefs is not that much different than Northeast.
I am sorry if I got a little sarcastic here but arguing validity of certain, official and publicly available statistics does that to you.. LOL
PS. How much are you willing to bet that in a few hours there will be post here arguing that Midwest is as urban and developed or even dense as Northeast/? LOL
Ha!!! I seriously just realized that about 10 seconds before I read your post. I just have to laugh and then leave, this thread was destroyed days ago!
What's your point? I just proved to you that not only NYC but some of NYC's suburbs are denser than Chicago, and any other Midwestern city for that matter... Any similar density anywhere in Midwest? LOL
I guess you realize "some" NYC burbs have similar or less density than some areas of Chicago so you switch from
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some of NYC's suburbs are denser than Chicago,
Come on make your mind up. You need to be a little more "specific" instead of making another generalized claim as not all burbs are denser than Chicago. Point well taken
Speaking of reading comprehension if you paid attention I did acknowledge my conclusion earlier after posting my photos that NYC was bigger than Chicago then you try to compare the burbs to Chicago. The photos speak for themselves. Also a 1.9 square mile suburb compared to an urban area of 227 sq. miles. Interesting how all the NJ burbs don't hold the same high density numbers as the two cities you listed.
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We are talking about suburbs here. Are there any suburbs in Chicago of similar density? I am just trying to make you realize how different not only NYC but the entire NE is from Midwest.
Now you change the comparison to Chicago's suburbs instead of the city realizing some areas of the city are as dense or greater than the burbs of NJ. How convenient.
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That's why I pointed out your mistake. Picking up a single airport in Chicago comparing it to a single airport in NYC does not make any sense and does not reflect the reality where New York is much busier sea and air port than Chicago.
In metro comparison NYC is busier but regionally the Midwest has more air airports and air traffic than the Northeast combined. Chicago is also the nation's hub of rail freight and trucking logistics.
Again. I pointed out that statistically NE is the most developed, urbanized, densely populated area of the US and now you are talking about Chicago. How is Midwest vs. Northeast from the industrial perspective? LOL Reading comprehension problems? LOL
How about comparing the best universities in Midwest to best universities in Northeast? LOL
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I don't care what you see, seeing does not equal understanding. I just proved how useless your photos are by showing that some NYC suburbs are denser not only than Chicago but any Midwestern City. Is there anything like that outside of Chicago? LOL Picture or no picture:
Oh, I get it a 1.9 sq mi suburb compared to a larger urbanized area of 227 sq miles. I know you don't care see proof of my suburban photos I posted showing the less developed suburbs it's okay to get your head of the sand box now.
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statistically NE is the most densely populated, developed, industrialized and urbanized region in the US. Midwest on the other hand is very agrarian, less developed and less urbanized.
Are you disputing this?
Industrialized? Again, the Midwest is more industrialized with Chicago being the largest manufacturing center in the country. Sure the NE is densely populated because it has less land than the Midwest but if the Midwest were to shrink to the smaller size of the Northeast with it's bigger population it would be larger.
More urbanized? Maybe more dense in the NE but I don't really see a huge difference in urban population. The Midwest actually has more larger major cities over 2+ million.
MIDWEST REGION - 66,927,001
NORTHEAST REGION - 55,317,240
URBANIZED AREAS
Midwest 1 Chicago IL- IN-WI 9,686,021
2 Detroit MI 5,218,852
3 Minneapolis-St. Paul 3,615,902
4 Cleveland OH 2,945,831
5 St. Louis MO-IL 2,892,874
6 Cincinnati OH-KY-IN 2,214,954
7 Kansas City MO-KS 2,136,653
8 Indianapolis IN 2,064,870
9 Columbus OH 2,031,229
10 Milwaukee WI 1,760,268
Total 32,536,225 (with Chicago) 22,850,204 (without Chicago)
Northeast 1 New York CT, NJ, NY 18,897,109
2 Philadelphia DE, NJ, PA 5,965,343
3 Boston MA, NH 4,552,402
4 Pittsburgh PA 2,356,285
5 Providence MA, RI 1,600,852
6 Hartford CT 1,212,381
7 Buffalo NY 1,135,509
8 Rochester NY 1,054,323
Total 36,774,204 (with NY) 17,877,095 (without NY)
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Of course, the Midwest will have more agriculture because it has more land for it along with more major cities and population. Also keep in mind PA is one of the major agriculture producers in the country. NY-PA have plenty of dairy farms and rural culture as well even though the Midwest has more.
More urbanized? Maybe more dense in the NE but I don't really see a huge difference in urban population. The Midwest actually has more larger major cities over 2+ million.
MIDWEST REGION - 66,927,001
NORTHEAST REGION - 55,317,240
URBANIZED AREAS
Midwest 1 Chicago IL- IN-WI 9,686,021
2 Detroit MI 5,218,852
3 Minneapolis-St. Paul 3,615,902
4 Cleveland OH 2,945,831
5 St. Louis MO-IL 2,892,874
6 Cincinnati OH-KY-IN 2,214,954
7 Kansas City MO-KS 2,136,653
8 Indianapolis IN 2,064,870
9 Columbus OH 2,031,229
10 Milwaukee WI 1,760,268
Total 32,536,225 (with Chicago) 22,850,204 (without Chicago)
Northeast 1 New York CT, NJ, NY 18,897,109
2 Philadelphia DE, NJ, PA 5,965,343
3 Boston MA, NH 4,552,402
4 Pittsburgh PA 2,356,285
5 Providence MA, RI 1,600,852
6 Hartford CT 1,212,381
7 Buffalo NY 1,135,509
8 Rochester NY 1,054,323
Total 36,774,204 (with NY) 17,877,095 (without NY)
On another note:
Of course, the Midwest will have more agriculture because it has more land for it along with more major cities and population. Also keep in mind PA is one of the major agriculture producers in the country. NY-PA have plenty of dairy farms and rural culture as well even though the Midwest has more.
I have a hard time calling all the cities in the midwest one region. The midwest is a huge area, and is fundamentally different than the Northeast. For example, while Cleveland and KC might both be midwest cities, Cleveland to New York City is half the distance that Cleveland and KC are. the Northeast is, in my opinion, the true definition of a connected region. Transit is easy and quick in the Bos-Wash region. DC to Bos is about the same distance as Chicago to Minneapolis just to put into perspecitive the difference in land area between the two regions.
More urbanized? Maybe more dense in the NE but I don't really see a huge difference in urban population. The Midwest actually has more larger major cities over 2+ million.
MIDWEST REGION - 66,927,001
NORTHEAST REGION - 55,317,240
URBANIZED AREAS
Midwest 1 Chicago IL- IN-WI 9,686,021
2 Detroit MI 5,218,852
3 Minneapolis-St. Paul 3,615,902
4 Cleveland OH 2,945,831
5 St. Louis MO-IL 2,892,874
6 Cincinnati OH-KY-IN 2,214,954
7 Kansas City MO-KS 2,136,653
8 Indianapolis IN 2,064,870
9 Columbus OH 2,031,229
10 Milwaukee WI 1,760,268
Total 32,536,225 (with Chicago) 22,850,204 (without Chicago)
Northeast 1 New York CT, NJ, NY 18,897,109
2 Philadelphia DE, NJ, PA 5,965,343
3 Boston MA, NH 4,552,402
4 Pittsburgh PA 2,356,285
5 Providence MA, RI 1,600,852
6 Hartford CT 1,212,381
7 Buffalo NY 1,135,509
8 Rochester NY 1,054,323
Total 36,774,204 (with NY) 17,877,095 (without NY)
On another note:
Of course, the Midwest will have more agriculture because it has more land for it along with more major cities and population. Also keep in mind PA is one of the major agriculture producers in the country. NY-PA have plenty of dairy farms and rural culture as well even though the Midwest has more.
The Midwest also has about what, 4-5 states that are mostly land and little population (city wise). States like North and South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas. While Midwest, they bring very little to the table as far as population. Iowa I would include also.
Kinda goes in line with preludes post.
The heart of the Midwest is undoubtedly Chicago, perhaps the population center if you subtract the other 4 states including Iowa. Most of the Midwest's population is centered within Ohio (Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus), Michigan (Detroit), Indiana (Indianapolis), Illinois (Chicago), Wisconsin (Milwaukee), and Minnesota (Minneapolis-St Paul). Missouri as well (Kansas City and St Louis). Id say 90% of the population is centered around these states, which are all bunched in together.
Originally Posted by urbanologist;[URL="tel:[color=violet
23469424[/color] (tel:23469424 - broken link)"]23469424 (tel:23469424 - broken link)[/url]]More urbanized? Maybe more dense in the NE but I don't really see a huge difference in urban population. The Midwest actually has more larger major cities over 2+ million.
MIDWEST REGION - 66,927,001
NORTHEAST REGION - 55,317,240
URBANIZED AREAS
Midwest 1 Chicago IL- IN-WI 9,686,021
2 Detroit MI 5,218,852
3 Minneapolis-St. Paul 3,615,902
4 Cleveland OH 2,945,831
5 St. Louis MO-IL 2,892,874
6 Cincinnati OH-KY-IN 2,214,954
7 Kansas City MO-KS 2,136,653
8 Indianapolis IN 2,064,870
9 Columbus OH 2,031,229
10 Milwaukee WI 1,760,268
Total 32,536,225 (with Chicago) 22,850,204 (without Chicago)
Northeast 1 New York CT, NJ, NY 18,897,109
2 Philadelphia DE, NJ, PA 5,965,343
3 Boston MA, NH 4,552,402
4 Pittsburgh PA 2,356,285
5 Providence MA, RI 1,600,852
6 Hartford CT 1,212,381
7 Buffalo NY 1,135,509
8 Rochester NY 1,054,323
Total 36,774,204 (with NY) 17,877,095 (without NY)
You are so funny LOL. First of all what you posted are not populations of cities cities but of their metros. When you look at cities you can tell right away that while Northeast has two cities over a million (NYC and Phila) Midwest has only one - Chicago. Yes: the entire Midwest with 65M in population built only once city over one million!
Second: anyway you look at it, even though Northeast is smaller it's top three cities are bigger and more notable than top three Midwestern cities. Detrtoi and MInneapolis? How do they even compare to Phila and Boston?
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On another note:
Of course, the Midwest will have more agriculture because it has more land for it along with more major cities and population. Also keep in mind PA is one of the major agriculture producers in the country. NY-PA have plenty of dairy farms and rural culture as well even though the Midwest has more.
You are hilarious. Midwest is not agrarian because it has more land. Midwest has more land it so agrarian hence there are so few people living there that all those states had to be lumped together.
The area does not determine density as much as population. You can increase or decrease the area of a desert with no inhabitants and it will no change the density (=0). Any change in population however always results in change in density.
The reason Midwest is not as much urbanized is that while Northeast is industrial, Midwest is agrarian. Industrial regions build cities which need and attract workers for the factories creating natural centers of urbanity while agrarian regions do not. Keep that in mind: with ten million people less living in the in Northeast it has over four million more living in its metro areas than Midwest. Yes, more people live in Northeastern cities than in Midwestern cities.
LOL
PS. Are you really arguing that Midwest is as industrialized and urbanized as Northeast? Good luck! LOL
I don't know if this is relevant to this discussion, but you guys do realize Chicago has the 4th largest economy in the world after Tokyo, NY and LA. I mean NYC is definitely superior in most aspects, but a lot of people here make it sound like Chicago is just some midsized city in the interior of America, it is a global behemoth guys, I mean at least show some respect. Chicago's problem is that it has a diversified economy and is not really the center of any important industry, like finance, media and fashion (NY), or entertainment and technology (LA), so that makes it somewhat boring, but I mean it does have a crapton of skyscrapers downtown, I think it is comparable to midtown manhattan, definitely inferior, but that's only because NYC is out of this world, Chicago still easily trumps almost any other city in the world, maybe not in terms of culture, but in terms of everything else.
All I'm saying is show some respect, this isn't Baltimore.
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