Chicago vs. NYC (state, better, place, America)

[RS085]

Originally Posted by tristann

He mean urban density like in New York with 27K people per sq mile.
Density as far as I know was not invented in Chicago and Chicago is not even close in density to New York.

Density =/= better.

You are ****ing obsessed.

[tristann]

Originally Posted by FAReastcoast;[color=violet

23509084[/color] (tel:23509084 - broken link)]Dude where are you getting paris is 20k sq mi? it's almost 60K per sq mile.

My bad. It was 20,000 per sq kilometer i.e. 52,240 per sq mile.

[RS085]

Originally Posted by FAReastcoast

I was responding to your post that NYC will become a place only for the wealthy. I grew up poor in Manhattan, and I have seen many families leave Manhattan for places like Staten Island, Queens, Northern Bronx. My point is there are and will continue to be many middle class families in the city, maybe not in Manhattan.

I see more leaving NY altogether for Upstate cities or Jersey my dude.

The income gap in this city is ridiculous too. The % is only going to get wider and I honestly think over decades more and more working class people will get priced out.

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by RS085

The income gap in this city is ridiculous too. The % is only going to get wider and I honestly think over decades more and more working class people will get priced out.

How do you explain the working class people who continue to move into NYC?

[tristann]

Originally Posted by RS085;[color=violet

23509109[/color] (tel:23509109 - broken link)]Density =/= better.

You are ****ing obsessed.

Look at the name of this forum, it is city data, isn't it? In urbanity denser is better.
All worlds best cities are super dense.

[RS085]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

So 8 million people will be squeezed out of a city because of 250,000 or so high-income earners?

Not so much Staten Island, since its the most isolated part of the city and most conservative. Definitely unlike the other 4 boros.


Its going to take a long time, but im sure you know and see it, all the development going on downtown BK. LIC in Queens, etc. condos, NO low-income housing anywhere. People are getting priced out. Neighborhoods are losing their character cause of hipsters and yuppies.

[tristann]

Originally Posted by ChikidII;[color=violet

23508682[/color] (tel:23508682 - broken link)] man, totally done with you continue trolling. Not gonna respond to you anymore.

Pleasure is all mine LOL

[FAReastcoast]

Originally Posted by RS085

Not so much Staten Island, since its the most isolated part of the city and most conservative. Definitely unlike the other 4 boros.


Its going to take a long time, but im sure you know and see it, all the development going on downtown BK. LIC in Queens, etc. condos, NO low-income housing anywhere. People are getting priced out. Neighborhoods are losing their character cause of hipsters and yuppies.

My experience is the opposite, my friends with families are buying houses in the City over NJ, LI, Westchester. All of my family (very middle class) has all stayed within the city. The numbers suggest this is the trend as well.

[tristann]

Originally Posted by RS085;[URL="tel:23509152"

23509152 (tel:23509152 - broken link)[/url]]I see more leaving NY altogether for Upstate cities or Jersey my dude.

The income gap in this city is ridiculous too. The % is only going to get wider and I honestly think over decades more and more working class people will get priced out.

Sure. New York will be inhabited by 8M of very rich people LOL

[BigLake]

Originally Posted by alexander8

Chicago has more quality than NYC? You're a bit early for April Fools, no?

NYC museums, NYC art, NYC restaurants, NYC shopping, NYC nightlife, NYC culture, high paying NYC jobs. Just not up to par with Chicago's world class offerings? Those ignorant world-billioniares, celebrities, and tourists who flock to NYC don't know what they're missing by flying over gold ol' Chicago, right? LOL, lay off of the pipe.

PS, 13% spread on a poll is usually considered a landslide victory.

If I were you, based on NYC 300 Trillion population or whatever the fugg it is, I don't think I'd be bragging so much about your quality over Chicago's. Chicago is what, 35-40% the size of NYC (?)- but pound for pound, in the fine arts and culture, it's close to being even. Just throwing these out and feel free to diagree. You can, but you'll be wrong.

On a scale of one (slag) to ten (being absolute world class), and my rankings are pretty darn close to reality, here...

Met: 10
AIC: 9.5
They're both top 10 in the world by any measure

Lyric Opera - Chicago- Generally considered the world's best opera - 10
NYC Opera - 9.0-9.5

MOMA - 10
Chicago Museum of Contemporary Art: 9

Chicago Symphony Orchestra - again considered top 3 orchestra in the world, if not the top - 10 ... startling, emphatic 10.
NY Philharmonic... 9.5 to a 10 (probably a ten)

Architecture-- yea, let's do this

Chicago - 10. Absolutely no context needed. The home of modern architecture and the skyscraper.
NYC- 9.5 (second best). Yes, second best

Fine dining
NYC- 10 - the place by which all cities are judged
Chicago- 9.5 - the place by which all cities are beginning to be judged.

Museums - general (history, science, etc.)
It's a wash between the two but NYC gets the minute edge. They're again-- both tops in the world

Music culture
NYC- tops historically in jazz and -- somewhat -- classical
Chicago -- blues

Education...
NYC - Columbia, NYU
Chicago - UChicago, Northwestern

See a trend here? Chicago matches NYC pretty well for quality. Right? For a city the size of NYC, I wouldn't be bringing out the "quality" card against Chicago. Relatively speaking, Chicago may not be its exact equal, but they're in the same league. You get all this in Chicago for ~ half the price too.

There are areas where Chicago sucks... transportation, crime, schools.. and in ways it's deplorable, but all in all, even as obviously great as it is, NYC is not that "far" better than Chicago in culture, recration and the finer things.