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Old 06-08-2020, 04:11 AM
 
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Oh definitely. But if you're coming to Massachusetts as a professor you're probably not looking to settle for the UMass system when you can go teach at BU, BC, Northwestern, Tufts, Brandeis, etc which are all world renowned and top 100 colleges in the entire nation. I think just that alone hurts the public system along with of course just poorly I'm sure it's run. But no other region, not even NY or CA have to deal with that because they don't have that sheer number of top 100 schools in one metro. I don't have data on this but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of kids in MA went to other NE states since places like NH and RI will give in-state tuition to them.
You typo’d Northwestern. That’s in Chicago. But yeah, Northeastern went from an unselective school with a good coop program to a top school in 40 years. Remarkable because it doesn’t happen often.

UMass Amherst has improved. It still has the ZooMass thing going on but college costs have pushed a lot of strong students there who would have gone elsewhere 30 years ago. The rest of the state university system is not very selective. The students aren’t strong enough to cover the material of a top university. As a hiring manager over the years, I’ve had to screen carefully with new grads from those schools.

The New England regional program generally is a pretty short list of majors where you are eligible for a tuition break as a nonresident if your state’s flagship university doesn’t offer that major.

As I wrote up-thread. California wins based on the sheer number of seats in highly selective schools. 40 million people as the resident pool fill an awful lot of seats. Metro Boston clearly has the highest concentration of top schools. NYC, Chicago, LA, and SFO also have big concentrations of highly selective schools.
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Old 06-08-2020, 09:27 AM
 
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You typo’d Northwestern. That’s in Chicago. But yeah, Northeastern went from an unselective school with a good coop program to a top school in 40 years. Remarkable because it doesn’t happen often.

UMass Amherst has improved. It still has the ZooMass thing going on but college costs have pushed a lot of strong students there who would have gone elsewhere 30 years ago. The rest of the state university system is not very selective. The students aren’t strong enough to cover the material of a top university. As a hiring manager over the years, I’ve had to screen carefully with new grads from those schools.

The New England regional program generally is a pretty short list of majors where you are eligible for a tuition break as a nonresident if your state’s flagship university doesn’t offer that major.

As I wrote up-thread. California wins based on the sheer number of seats in highly selective schools. 40 million people as the resident pool fill an awful lot of seats. Metro Boston clearly has the highest concentration of top schools. NYC, Chicago, LA, and SFO also have big concentrations of highly selective schools.
Ah, thanks for the correction!

That's interesting that it is a short list of majors -- I never thought about that.

I think that's probably the best way to put it -- the concentration levels in a lot of those cities are much higher than Metro Boston just from the population levels alone.
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Old 06-09-2020, 05:55 AM
 
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Oh definitely. But if you're coming to Massachusetts as a professor you're probably not looking to settle for the UMass system when you can go teach at BU, BC, Northwestern, Tufts, Brandeis, etc which are all world renowned and top 100 colleges in the entire nation. I think just that alone hurts the public system along with of course just poorly I'm sure it's run. But no other region, not even NY or CA have to deal with that because they don't have that sheer number of top 100 schools in one metro. I don't have data on this but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of kids in MA went to other NE states since places like NH and RI will give in-state tuition to them.
UMass is ranked like 65 I'm assuming you're using USNews
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Old 06-09-2020, 08:43 AM
 
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UMass is ranked like 65 I'm assuming you're using USNews
AWRU or something like that.. I think they are using. I try not to use US Best News because they separate the schools into like two lists so its hard to pinpoint what the actual rankings are. ARWU does a good job of compiling the schools to a singular ranking.

1. Harvard
2. MIT
36. Boston University
59-66. Tufts University
59-66. UMass Medical Center Worcester
59-66. UMass Amherst
95. Brandeis University
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Old 06-09-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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AWRU or something like that.. I think they are using. I try not to use US Best News because they separate the schools into like two lists so its hard to pinpoint what the actual rankings are. ARWU does a good job of compiling the schools to a singular ranking.

1. Harvard
2. MIT
36. Boston University
59-66. Tufts University
59-66. UMass Medical Center Worcester
59-66. UMass Amherst
95. Brandeis University
Yeah they all have flaws. Difficult thing to rank. Some favor class size, research, admissions or whatever.
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Old 06-09-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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Yeah they all have flaws. Difficult thing to rank. Some favor class size, research, admissions or whatever.
Right, these school ranking systems vary greatly from list to list. As long as your school is roughly near the top on most of these lists your schools is good.

Some lists actually add points for schools with lower admissions rates, which does nothing for the quality of the education. Southern Public Unis tend to have higher admissions rates compared to comparably prestigious public unis in the rest of the country.

Also, the more prestigious and selective a school is, the more research based and theoretical the coursework is going to be. It's actually the less selective schools that offer more hands on, practical, employable skills instead of theory.
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:03 PM
 
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AWRU or something like that.. I think they are using. I try not to use US Best News because they separate the schools into like two lists so its hard to pinpoint what the actual rankings are. ARWU does a good job of compiling the schools to a singular ranking.

1. Harvard
2. MIT
36. Boston University
59-66. Tufts University
59-66. UMass Medical Center Worcester
59-66. UMass Amherst
95. Brandeis University
BC belongs in the top 100 with those schools as does Northeastern. I think it's tough to rank schools in general though, they're all competitive in their own ways.
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