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I don't think anybody is denying that the media often has a negative bias against New Jersey (turn on MTV). It's just that that is only one facet of it. Another is that the average non-New Jersey person just does not know what to identify the state with. When I think of Cali, I think of beaches and several major cities. When people (not me) think of New Jersey, they just don't really know anything about it, which is why the Turnpike always comes up for example. A more well-known city would give NJ something that people from other states could identify with in a positive fashion.
Good way to miss everything I was saying................. That takes a particular type of ignorance.
Im looked at as a "new jersey hater" But i know what the guy is trying to say. If hudson county had been one integrated city all along it would have most likely developed a more powerful, stronger presence than what ya have now with ya cities. Its not rocket science
You steady ride our "powerful, stronger presence" on a regular basis.
If we were that meaningless, you would not make it your business to interject yourself in all threads NJ. And NJ seems to be your business, for whatever reason.
Again................... Hop off Jersey's nether regions. No one in NJ is thinking about the Bronx, you should do the same.
Why is New England an "unified culture" while the Tristate is not? From the perspective of someone from South Jersey like me, North Jersey seems to be very unified with NYC. Sure it's not called the Tristate Giants, but a huge part of their fan base is North Jersey. You have to remember that the NY in the Giants' and Jets' names stands for the city, not the state. In this case at least, you're argument doesn't really make sense to me.
In no way is the term tri-state as unified or culturally known as new england, which is the reason the giants are not called the "tristate" giants in the first place. If the NY in new york giants/jets stand for the city... than they should play "in the city" how does that not make sense. The giants/jets play in no borough of new york city, yet they have our name
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Your circular, self fulfilling logic only serves to make you look foolish. Keep it up.
And ummmm........................... The Giants had NOTHING to do with the westside stadium. That had to do with the Jets feeling like guests in Giants stadium (which they were). The Giants never had any intentions of going anywhere.
How many times are you going to play yourself out before you find a new hobby.
I could see if the powers to be tried to get the jets a new stadium in new jersey, they werent. They tried to bring a ny team back to ny and the giants would have followed. Theres no way the giants would have let the jets get the upperhand on them like that. If the jets got the stadium, the giants would have played in the old giants stadium until they could get their own stadium in nyc.
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You steady ride our "powerful, stronger presence" on a regular basis.
If we were that meaningless, you would not make it your business to interject yourself in all threads NJ. And NJ seems to be your business, for whatever reason.
Again................... Hop off Jersey's nether regions. No one in NJ is thinking about the Bronx, you should do the same.
New Jersey is A STATE
The Bronx is a SECTION/BOROUGH OF NEW YORK CITY.
Your constant comparisons between the two is laughable and only shows how nj lacks identity so much that u compare an entire state to a section of a city. I speak as a resident of NYC
Besides new jerseys tacky reality shows nobody knows what to think about new jersey either.lol
I could see if the powers to be tried to get the jets a new stadium in new jersey, they werent. They tried to bring a ny team back to ny and the giants would have followed. Theres no way the giants would have let the jets get the upperhand on them like that. If the jets got the stadium, the giants would have played in the old giants stadium until they could get their own stadium in nyc.
Wha???? You're just making things up that at this point. Seriously. What proof do you have of any of this? LOL. The Giants never made any overtures toward moving to a Westside stadium. You have to come equipped with al least a little bit of knowledge & facts in these (admittedly ridiculous) threads my dude.
Regardless................. The fact that you attempt to make EVERY, EVERY New Jersey thread a NJ/NY thing is telling. Stop trying to use NJ to sooth your personal insecurities.
How many more times would you liked to be called out for shenanigans?
You should check the "Flyest Swagger" thread. That seems to be more your capacity. LOL.
The "Dallas" Cowboys don't play in Dallas.
The "Washington" Redskins don't play in DC.
The "Buffalo" Bills don't play in Buffalo.
All of these stadiums play in the Metropolitan area they represent.
The Meadowlands stadium in NJ is nothing but a mere fact that the NY Jets/Giants is a team for the metropolitan area.
And how would that precisely change the current attitude of the media card holders in this area? Please elaborate. How?
Your understanding of this area's cultural politics is quite naive. To say the least.
NJ is intentionally misrepresented. Intentionally. Time & time again.
Expanding city boundaries would not combat that in the slightest. A larger city would somehow, miraculously transform provincialism & bias? Tell me how that works again.
I told you how, you're just being bitter.
I honestly don't care if you agree or not- But NJ doesn't get the same kind of attention as other states do because the way the state is broken up into infinite municipilties. NJ is the only state that is the way it is.
People automatically think Newark, Camden, Paterson- And then make the connection that the state is riddled with poverty. When in fact, the state has the 4th lowest poverty rate in the nation.
You'd think you'd get it. considering all the times you have had to defend NJ's case when it came to people calling the state crime ridden, poverty stricken, or a polluted wasteland... well, that's what promoting extremely small urban decayed areas does for you- If you really think if NJ annexed the Gold Coast as a city with 600K+ population, and promoted itself as being one of the safest, wealthiest, most urban cities in the US won't make a difference- Then I'd really like to hear your explanation as to why NJ has a hard time being so misunderstood?
I'm not saying annexing portions of the state is possible anymore, but it's just an observation as to why NJ has such a hard time making a positive name for itself.
Its bad reputation has everything to do with the state having an identity crisis- Point blank.
There's no reason a city's sports teams have to play in the city limits.
Anyway KONY you win, NJ is bashed more. That was the point of this thread.
Lol are u serious. If a team doesnt play in the city limits...atleast play within the same state. New jerseyans defending the giants and jets are idiots. Both of those teams should have jersey in their names point blank
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Originally Posted by openheads
Wha???? You're just making things up that at this point. Seriously. What proof do you have of any of this? LOL. The Giants never made any overtures toward moving to a Westside stadium. You have to come equipped with al least a little bit of knowledge & facts in these (admittedly ridiculous) threads my dude.
Regardless................. The fact that you attempt to make EVERY, EVERY New Jersey thread a NJ/NY thing is telling. Stop trying to use NJ to sooth your personal insecurities.
How many more times would you liked to be called out for shenanigans?
You should check the "Flyest Swagger" thread. That seems to be more your capacity. LOL.
How am i being called out for shenanigans lol. Your actually right. The giants will stay in jersey. They can use jersey infrastructure,play their home games in jersey,have most their fans come from jersey,have jersey people working at the stadium,have jersey taxpayers pay for the stadium and still call themselves THE NEW YORK GIANTS completely disregarding any link to your identity stricken state.Sweet deal for new york
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The "Dallas" Cowboys don't play in Dallas.
The "Washington" Redskins don't play in DC.
The "Buffalo" Bills don't play in Buffalo.
All of these stadiums play in the Metropolitan area they represent.
The Meadowlands stadium in NJ is nothing but a mere fact that the NY Jets/Giants is a team for the metropolitan area.
The dallas cowboys dont play in dallas but they play WITHIN TEXAS
Washington DC is not a state its a district and its physically located in maryland
The bills dont play in buffalo but they play in a county right outside buffalo in new york state not in another state
Are there SOME people in NJ that fit the stereotype? There are some. But not even close to as many as are in NY. And the NY-based media would never have you believe that.
ALL the media in New York! Thats some conspiracy! Especially no doubt, since a fair part of the New York media lives or has family in New Jersey!
Its funny. Maybe you can, but I cannot recall mainstream news anchors like Chuck Scarborough or Sue Simmons calling New Jersey, "Dirty Jersey" or "Guidoland". And I don't see the mainstream NY news channels or newspapers attacking Italians in New Jersey, guidos or otherwise.
After all, Italians are the largest ethnic group on Long Island and I believe in New York City itself. No New York media is going to make up sterotypes about Italians in New Jersey, when a huge numbers of New Yorkers are Italian also.
Italians are one of the last groups, along with Southern whites, that its ok to attack and get away with it. And regarding Italians, its not just New Jersey that gets sterotyped but New York City and Long Island. The Sopranos took place in New Jersey but The Godfather took place in New York.
Then I'd really like to hear your explanation as to why NJ has a hard time being so misunderstood?
Uhhh. I give up.............................. You're right. Hudson Co as one large city will make the NY media stop using the state as a cultural scapegoat (wha?). That makes perfect sense. Even though NJ still will not have a media outlet, larger municipalities will solve the issue of perception. How could I have been so mistaken?
You're under the impression that it matters what ACTUALLY happens in NJ. What ACTUALLY happens has nothing to do with how others with the most powerful cultural megaphone in the nation shapes us.
I can't make that any more clear. I really can't.
Again, you are quite naive as to the cultural politics of this region.
4th lowest poverty rate means nothing. One of the most educated states in the nation means nothing. One of the highest median incomes means nothing as far as perception is concerned. And neither does the size of our cities. You act like the average person studies these statistics & makes an informed decision. You have to know better than that. Right? Soundbites rule perception. Movies, TV rule perception.
A 600+ thousand city means nothing.
For a state this size, NJ has produced more than its fair share of actors, poets, writers, musicians, inventors, inventions & cultural significance. And you know what? It still means nothing as long as the entity with the biggest voice keeps telling people how awful we are.
You're under the delusion that facts & reality have anything to do with perception. That's a life lesson not just pertaining to the topic at hand.
We suck because the bully with the megaphone says we do. It doesn't matter if we ACTUALLY do or not.
You need to wise up & see the big picture.
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But i know what the guy is trying to say. If hudson county had been one integrated city all along it would have most likely developed a more powerful, stronger presence than what ya have now with ya cities. Its not rocket science
