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I still own a home there. So I have a vested interest.
Bored? Hardly. I can walk to the docks for my water sports. Walk to the beach just to hang out. I can go 20 mile bike ride along the ocean.. There are tons of great restaurants and clubs that I can easily walk to. Decent skiing is less than 2 hours away.
It isn't a new story. St. Louis has been losing population for a while now. It's peak was over 850,000 as of the 1950 census. St. Louis' population is now at a level it used to be in the 1800s.
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it says that you are too bored for your own good. we get it. you don't like st. louis, you moved, and you are having trouble moving on. i suspect you actually miss it, since you seem to be so attracted to st. louis topics. it's annoying already.
The words "trite" and "callous" come to mind every time someone decides to come in a thread about a city and just go on and on about how much they dislike it Just move on already.
The only people that really like Saint Louis are the local city residents. .
Interesting. I'm not from St Louis and think it's a cool city. Credibility is lost when a person goes out of their way to continually bash a place and has only bad things to say.
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It sounds like there is a miscount though, if the city of St. Louis has challenged the population estimates 6 previous times in the last decade and won! So, shouldn't this be reversed and therefore, a non-issue?
I'm starting to worry about Minneapolis now. It's just like St. Louis in that it has a small land mass and just about zero land for new development.
Actually where I lived (Lake Saint Louis) made living in Missouri tolerable. One of the few saving graces of living in Missouri.
I know your story too well because you make it known everytime. You live in Lake St. Louis because it has a lake and your big into water sports and city living isn't for you anymore and you lived in Pittsburgh blah blah blah I know. I am not of fan of Missouri either, the only reason I live in Missouri is because of St. Louis city. Like I said I don't care wether you hate St. Louis it's just you project your views as it's everyone else's views.
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Why is it that when many posters comment on the census reported population loss for Chicago, people talk about how "well, its actually a good thing because its a sign that the city is gentrifying, sure the west and south sides are emptying out, but downtown and the north side is just filling up with single households that live in more space per person,"
But when another midwestern city loses population in the 2010 census, its virtually all "gloom and doom"
Hello? Sure other midwestern cities are well behind the gentrification growth of Chicago, but areas close to the downtowns of St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati have seen an increase of young urban professionals, just not on the same scale. Yes, even metro detroit has seen an increase in professional employment, its just far less than the loss of manufacturing employment.
But a city is a city, and young professionals want to live in urban neighborhoods whether its an underrappreciated and misunderstood smaller midwestern city, or a "world class city"
As a current St. Louis resident (grew up in Indiana, lived in Chicago suburbs, etc.), I have touted Indianapolis' Unigov, which occurred during the administration of Richard Lugar, former mayor and longtime US Senator. St. Louis desperately needs to look at a Unigov-style solution to its problems. However, the several-dozen municipalities in the St. Louis metro area are highly unlikely to give up their long-standing local power in support of a regional merger. That said, the 2011 census illustrates compellingly that a fresh approach is warranted. Otherwise, St. Louis' misleading crime statistics will continue to worsen.
As an outsider, I can see the solutions with clarity, but having lived in the area for 16 years, I also recognize the internal impediments to success. It is sad because the St. Louis area has substantially more amenities and cultural attributes than Indianapolis could ever hope to have, but Indianapolis has done a much, much better job of selling itself and taking aggressive action to improve and enhance what it does have. I wish we could send the St. Louis-area leaders to Indianapolis for a week to see the potential that is within St. Louis' grasp.
It sounds like there is a miscount though, if the city of St. Louis has challenged the population estimates 6 previous times in the last decade and won! So, shouldn't this be reversed and therefore, a non-issue?
I'm starting to worry about Minneapolis now. It's just like St. Louis in that it has a small land mass and just about zero land for new development.
I wouldn't worry too much as Minneapolis isn't in the same boat as St. Louis. I think both Minneapolis and St. Paul will experience growth, with St. Paul's gain being smaller. I'm thinking Minneapolis will come out between 386,000 and 389,000 and St. Paul will be between 287,000 and 289,000
In a global economy that is shrinking, why is it so shocking that non-annexing cities are losing people?
But if all these cities start annexing to the size of Charlotte, Dallas, Kansas City, etc..., then there would be a lot bruised egos.
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