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View Poll Results: Chicago Vs. Toronto
Chicago 399 61.48%
Toronto 250 38.52%
Voters: 649. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-04-2014, 02:38 AM
 
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It'd be amazing for Chicago to develop a rail corridor passing through Detroit to connect with the windsor corridor through to Toronto and beyond. It's sort of a missing piece of crucial infrastructure that could do wonders for both cities.
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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It'd be amazing for Chicago to develop a rail corridor passing through Detroit to connect with the windsor corridor through to Toronto and beyond. It's sort of a missing piece of crucial infrastructure that could do wonders for both cities.
Good point. The biggest cities in the Great Lakes Megalopolis (and they are both sister cities) dont even have a connection via bus. There is no intercity bus (megabus) that goes from Toronto to Chicago...but there are ones to go to NYC, Philly and DC daily. megabus.com | Now serving over 30 million bus customers in North America
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I didn't even realize GR has more people than Buffalo-Niagara. lol

No

Buffalo population (as of 2012):
City: 259,384
Metro: 1,134,210

Grand Rapids population (as of 2010)
City: 188,040
Metro: 1,005,608
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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Buffalo population (as of 2012):
City: 259,384
Metro: 1,134,210

Grand Rapids population (as of 2010)
City: 188,040
Metro: 1,005,608
You are correct. For MSA figures, Buffalo > Grand Rapids.
For CSA figures, Grand Rapids > Buffalo.

Grand Rapids CSA: 1,321,557
Grand Rapids metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Buffalo-Niagara CSA: 1,215,826
Buffalo


I guess it just depends on what you are looking at. Though CSA is a much larger, generous area.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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Good point. The biggest cities in the Great Lakes Megalopolis (and they are both sister cities) dont even have a connection via bus. There is no intercity bus (megabus) that goes from Toronto to Chicago...but there are ones to go to NYC, Philly and DC daily. megabus.com | Now serving over 30 million bus customers in North America

Greyhound travels direct from Toronto to Chicago, about 2-3/day, but your right it doesn't compare Toronto- New York with about 8 express buses a day (the NEON service) plus 1 or 2 non express.

Honestly, the demand is not high between Toronto and Chicago (compared to New York). I took the Chicago bus once, I was going to Nashville via Detroit and the bus was practically empty by the time we got to London, Ontario. I think only 3 to 4 people continued on to Chicago.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You are correct. For MSA figures, Buffalo > Grand Rapids.
For CSA figures, Grand Rapids > Buffalo.

Grand Rapids CSA: 1,321,557
Grand Rapids metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Buffalo-Niagara CSA: 1,215,826
Buffalo


I guess it just depends on what you are looking at. Though CSA is a much larger, generous area.

Yeah, CSA is a very extensive area, and not one that can really be taken seriously in measuring population of a city/metro area. For instance, in Atlanta (where I live now), the CSA includes Athens, Ga., which is 70 miles away and is in no way part of Atlanta.

Grand Rapids' population is quite a bit larger than I realized, though.

Anyway, for this poll, I voted Toronto, which doesn't get enough respect in these C-D polls. Both are great cities, but I actually find Toronto to be more cosmopolitan and interesting.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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Yeah, CSA is a very extensive area, and not one that can really be taken seriously in measuring population of a city/metro area. For instance, in Atlanta (where I live now), the CSA includes Athens, Ga., which is 70 miles away and is in no way part of Atlanta.

Grand Rapids' population is quite a bit larger than I realized, though.

Anyway, for this poll, I voted Toronto, which doesn't get enough respect in these C-D polls. Both are great cities, but I actually find Toronto to be more cosmopolitan and interesting.
I agree with everything said here. Excellent post.
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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Greyhound travels direct from Toronto to Chicago, about 2-3/day, but your right it doesn't compare Toronto- New York with about 8 express buses a day (the NEON service) plus 1 or 2 non express.

Honestly, the demand is not high between Toronto and Chicago (compared to New York). I took the Chicago bus once, I was going to Nashville via Detroit and the bus was practically empty by the time we got to London, Ontario. I think only 3 to 4 people continued on to Chicago.
Forgot about 'regular' Greyhound. I was focusing on the cheaper Megabus/Greyhound Neon
But yeah if the demand is not there, then of course there was be little to no service between the two cities. I guess the train is also an option.
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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When you say hastily built infrastructure - what do you mean by that - the architecture in general or roads/bridges/highways etc lol?
I meant like the conditions of the bridges and roads, which were falling apart when I visited. Parks and civic offices also had some problems with weeds growing through the cracks. I never noticed this before, I"ve been going every year since 2002 or so. Maybe its Rob Ford?
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