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"Perfect" ? Murder rate rivaling Afghanistan "perfect"? Murder rate three times higher than New York, twice than La and probably tenfolds than Toronto (I am too lazy to check) is not only not perfect but simply embarrassing. Crime is terrible in Chicago much much worse than in Toronto. How can you compare these two cities?
Portmanteau - A portmanteau is a combination of two (or more) words, and their definitions, into one new word.
Based on your posts regarding Chicago in more than one thread, "Flotard" seems to derive from which base words? Florida? Retard?
The poll results aren't nearly as interesting as ongoing learning about the development of these cities... A thread like this can continue for decades.. If it ended a new one would be created soon after.
There really isn't a winner or loser here and these polls are not official or scientific either. These threads are good for friendly back and forths and to share information. This isn't a sport lol.
But isn't most of the crime in Chicago constricted to the south and west sides? If you know what places to avoid then these statistics you keep sharing are of little concern to those who stay in the areas that are safer (e.g. the Loop and most of the northern neighborhoods). I've heard from friends who traveled to Chicago last year that the city center is very very clean and maintained and quite safe.
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I'm tired of hearing this argument. The South and West sides are large swathes of the city. To say that you can't visit the largest African American neighbourhood in America (the South Side) because you might be robbed, assaulted, or killed is pretty extreme. To say, "oh, just avoid these large areas of the city and you'll be fine" just isn't good enough. As if crime doesn't bleed beyond the borders of these areas that so many Chicagoans have given up on. And that is perhaps the most disturbing thing - I never hear anyone from Chicago saying that the city is working hard to improve these areas, that there are all kinds of strategies in place to reduce segregation in the city, diversify these neighbourhoods and create mixed-income pockets (as was done with Cabrini Green), or otherwise tackle the prolific gang and gun violence that is consuming these areas. All you hear is "don't go to X or X or past X and X, and you'll be fine." Or "all the crime in this city happens in X and X, so you'll be okay if you don't go there." And especially "I've lived here all my life and have never been a victim of crime because I never go to X and X." As if wiping these areas from the map of Chicago somehow erases the problem. A classic case of hear no evil, see no evil.
If more Chicago residents took responsibility for the crime in their city instead of always saying "it happens over there where those folks live - *wink* *wink*, *nudge* *nudge* - and we just don't go over there", the city might be a lot closer to having a New York moment. Remember that New York in the recent past was one of the most violent, segregated cities in America, with dozens of no-go areas. Now you can walk down just about any street at any time of day and know you will not be killed or beaten or robbed. Chicago and its residents need to stop passing the buck to the poor neighbourhoods where the crime mostly occurs, and take responsibility for their whole city.
Saying the Chicago residents take little or no responsibility for crime in the city is ridiculous. No one is saying "avoid the ENTIRE west side or the ENTIRE south side," but as it is true in any city in the entire world there are parts of places one should avoid because they are unsafe. It is as true in an American city as it is in a British city as it is in a Canadian city as it is in a Chinese city. No city is 100% safe. Marothisu has done an excellent job in pointing out these particular places in Chicago. If everyone were ignoring crime in Chicago then it likely wouldn't have gone down the way it has over the past several decades.
Maybe it is such strong hubris that one believes what applies to certain cities in the U.S. and abroad in terms of crime abatement applies to all cities, or maybe its simple ignorance to fail to realize that there are differences in dynamical economical conditions that don't allow every city in the U.S. to function similarly. You speak of New York and/or Los Angeles their dramatic drop in crime rate? Chicago hasn't been able to price out crime the way it has been priced out of these other cities. Philadelphia is a very similar example were crime rates have remained high relative to their size because of different economics and dynamics of the city than its northeast neighbor New York.
Honestly, maybe you should propose ways to lower crime in Chicago to its leaders. After all, you are so quick to not only recognize but also become the expert in Chicago's foibles. If you have an answer to our problems, maybe you should be so kind as to speak up and tell us how to change the economic, social, and personal problems of gang members, the poor, and the uneducated.
Saying the Chicago residents take little or no responsibility for crime in the city is ridiculous. No one is saying "avoid the ENTIRE west side or the ENTIRE south side," but as it is true in any city in the entire world there are parts of places one should avoid because they are unsafe. It is as true in an American city as it is in a British city as it is in a Canadian city as it is in a Chinese city. No city is 100% safe. Marothisu has done an excellent job in pointing out these particular places in Chicago. If everyone were ignoring crime in Chicago then it likely wouldn't have gone down the way it has over the past several decades.
Maybe it is such strong hubris that one believes what applies to certain cities in the U.S. and abroad in terms of crime abatement applies to all cities, or maybe its simple ignorance to fail to realize that there are differences in dynamical economical conditions that don't allow every city in the U.S. to function similarly. You speak of New York and/or Los Angeles their dramatic drop in crime rate? Chicago hasn't been able to price out crime the way it has been priced out of these other cities. Philadelphia is a very similar example were crime rates have remained high relative to their size because of different economics and dynamics of the city than its northeast neighbor New York.
Honestly, maybe you should propose ways to lower crime in Chicago to its leaders. After all, you are so quick to not only recognize but also become the expert in Chicago's foibles. If you have an answer to our problems, maybe you should be so kind as to speak up and tell us how to change the economic, social, and personal problems of gang members, the poor, and the uneducated.
Agreed. The people that need to fix those problems really are the ones in their community and the leaders. People act as if most Chicagoans are sitting around twiddling with their thumbs with nothing to do and just don't want to help.
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