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These neighborhoods are close to Philly's DT and you wouldn't catch me dead in a city that has neighborhoods that looks like this, but if you let a Philadelphian tell it these neighborhoods have "CHARACTER" LOL
Slums= Character to you Philidelphians
haha that first picture is not only not "close" to philadelphia's DT, it's not even in PHILADELPHIA! That's upper darby buddy! a suburb of philadelphia.
you clearly don't know what you're talking about. and that other picture is not in center city either.
you do realize we're talking about which downtown is better right? not just trying to find random pictures of areas within a 25 mile radius of CC to make philly look bad.
Actually using your links and the CC borders the number is 2 to 1 on restaurants in Philly - dispute your own link
You have a bad memory because we added up the numbers before and it was about even or a slight edge to Philly. Anyway, if I add in Adams Morgan, Dupont, Chinatown, etc... it will match the selective areas most of the Philly folk are claiming as CC. I didn't know the Linc was in CC. Stop moving the goal post.
WOW! I saw your link and let me say this, If I didn't know the physical boundaries of CC, I would believe that it has 900 restaurants but because I do know lil bit more about Philly than you think, I know their definition of CC is really creative. South Street? A few of the addresses are near the Linc? LOL
Fair enough. I went through a bunch of the pages and used the "Map these results", and each one looked just about like the attachment to this post. At a glance, you could argue that 33% of the restaurants are outside of CC (and I think that's aggressive). Even at 67% of the results, you get 599 restaurants...just in CC.
Btw - I never claimed to assume how much you know about CC, so no need to profess.
You have a bad memory because we added up the numbers before and it was about even or a slight edge to Philly. Anyway, if I add in Adams Morgan, Dupont, Chinatown, etc... it will match the selective areas most of the Philly folk are claiming as CC. I didn't know the Linc was in CC. Stop moving the goal post.
ok then we can keep adding to, QV, No Libs, Art Museum, Fairmont, Bella Vista, U City, Passsyunk Sq, Loft District, G-Ho, Francisville etc - what is the point - we have already established the Philly DT has a smaller footprint and now you want to add more areas and larger footprint to the DC downtown for it to compete - this is kind of the point I believe
Fair enough. I went through a bunch of the pages and used the "Map these results", and each one looked just about like the attachment to this post. At a glance, you could argue that 33% of the restaurants are outside of CC (and I think that's aggressive). Even at 67% of the results, you get 599 restaurants...just in CC.
Btw - I never claimed to assume how much you know about CC, so no need to profess.
To me all this is apples and oranges. I will admit that CC is more vibrant than DT DC but I when people post drivel about "DT DC is an office park or it's dead at night," I will pull the rug from under them every time. I showed you a link that has more than 600 restaurants in DT DC as well as videos from clubs in DT DC on a week night and a video of DC's Chinatown which is an all night spot. Plus, DT DC has like 600,000 people walking around on any given day, the second busiest subway in the country and a two mile by two mile area of block after block of continuous development of office midrises. But Philly is more urban DT? Stop it! Only NY and Chicago has this type of urban expanse DT.
Government Smoverment! It is what it is! Don't try to eat the cake without the icing. Fact 1: There is much higher demand in DC than Philly. Fact 2: Real estate in DC trumps Philly. Fact 3: More jobs in DT DC than Philly. Fact 4: DC is wealthier than Philly. I can keep going for days.
Ok, so then by this logic, you're saying that DT DC is better than DT Chicago because the COL in DC is higher? Is that your point?
Let's examine your Facts:
1. Higher demand for what? Residential, commercial?
2. How does it trump Philly? Oh, and how is this different that FACT 4?
3. I agree. This is why mixed-use development in DT DC isn't as good. CC is loaded with residential and commercial development (restaurants, stores, etc.). I wish DC was able to fill in some of the gaps, but as you said, there are some government restrictions.
4. How is real estate in DT DC better? DT housing in Philly is nice. I agree that DT DC is nice too, but not sure how it's better.
To me all this is apples and oranges. I will admit that CC is more vibrant than DT DC but I when people post drivel about "DT DC is an office park or it's dead at night," I will pull the rug from under them every time. I showed you a link that has more than 600 restaurants in DT DC as well as videos from clubs in DT DC on a week night and a video of DC's Chinatown which is an all night spot. Plus, DT DC has like 600,000 people walking around on any given day, the second busiest subway in the country and a two mile by two mile area of block after block of continuous development of office midrises. But Philly is more urban DT? Stop it! Only NY and Chicago has this type of urban expanse DT.
Actually a couple of points, the subway in Philly's DT is actually at a higher density of ridership per sq mile than the Metro - the Metro is far better with greater ridership, no argument here but in the core an argument can be made that Philly actually does at least as well a on PT in the city core.
I agree DC is vibrant but has far too many dead zones and is no where near as cohesive nor as vibrant from my perspective. The best areas of DC to me are just outside the DT
on your development it seemed you are trying to claim two ends of the spectrum, one DT DC is mile after mile of office building, well yes there more office buildings and many people's points are a more vibran DT has a better mix of uses; and seriously to say Philly is not developed form many miles is really pure ridiculousness. So only office buildings count
I actually rate DC as IMHO the 6th best in the country and very good; on this aspect it is one area where Philly bests DC on many others DC has the upper hand. I think DC is great and on DTs it is only surpassed IMHO by NYC, Chicago, Philly, Boston, and SF
To me all this is apples and oranges. I will admit that CC is more vibrant than DT DC but I when people post drivel about "DT DC is an office park or it's dead at night," I will pull the rug from under them every time. I showed you a link that has more than 600 restaurants in DT DC as well as videos from clubs in DT DC on a week night and a video of DC's Chinatown which is an all night spot. Plus, DT DC has like 600,000 people walking around on any given day, the second busiest subway in the country and a two mile by two mile area of block after block of continuous development of office midrises. But Philly is more urban DT? Stop it! Only NY and Chicago has this type of urban expanse DT.
Well, I suppose it depends on your definition of urban. I'd actually put Venice, Italy above both in urbanity, even though it's far far smaller with no roads and no urban canyons. I believe that a city has a more urban feel if roads are thinner, there are a ton of compact retaurants/retail/etc and tons of hidden pockets (parks, streets, squares, etc.).
I don't think anyone on here is saying that DT DC is an office park or it's dead at night (although I haven't read through the whole thing). It has great vibrancy during the day, and some great areas with restaurants/retail. I just personally don't think it's as compact and vibrant as Philly overall. DC may catch-up or improve, I just don't prefer it at this point.
These neighborhoods are close to Philly's DT and you wouldn't catch me dead in a city that has neighborhoods that looks like this, but if you let a Philadelphian tell it these neighborhoods have "CHARACTER" LOL
Slums= Character to you Philidelphians
I'm pretty sure that first pick is not in Philly, but ratehr, Upper Darby.
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These neighborhoods are close to Philly's DT and you wouldn't catch me dead in a city that has neighborhoods that looks like this, but if you let a Philadelphian tell it these neighborhoods have "CHARACTER" LOL
Slums= Character to you Philidelphians
Oh please....you can take a row of abandoned houses out of ANY CITY and make an ignorant post like that... To say Philly has no character is beyond ridiculous...and to say character doesn't matter is even more absurd.
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