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View Poll Results: Battle of the Mid-Majors
Phoenix 41 17.37%
Denver 40 16.95%
Detroit 21 8.90%
Minneapolis 52 22.03%
Seattle 82 34.75%
Voters: 236. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-24-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Alright my fellow C-Daholics. I figure with the recent outlandish threads I would attempt to make an accurate comparison. I consider these cities/metros to be the mid-major cities of the nation. Definitely not on the level of LA and Chicago, not quite Phily, Boston, or Atlanta but definitely on the verge if not nipping at the heels. Ironically, all 5 are different from each other and command some sort of dominance in their niche areas.

Detroit: old manufacturing Rust Belt city that has fallen from prominence but still has packed quite a punch historically to be siginificant and is attempting to re-invent itself.
Seattle: the PNW capital city and the crown jewel of Cascadia. Seattle is just about to go to the next level but not quite there yet. An urban city with great neighborhoods and significant IT industries.
Minneapolis: the rising financial center of the Midwest and soon to be the Midwest 2nd city. It keeps the Midwest tradition of agribusiness and commodities and has a cool sidekick.
Denver: the Rocky Mount city and probably the most isolated major city of the nation. This happens to work in its favor as it is rising to national prominence
Phoenix: capital city of the Southwest, Sunbelt heavyweight, and proof that living in the desert can still be cool. It has/is surviving the recession quite well and perhaps the most underrated of the 5.

So ladies/gentlemen. Have at it. Throw out all the stats, compare & contrast them. They are similar in population and economic output. Are they in the same class? Which one will join the ranks of Phily, Boston, Dallas, Houston, Miami, and Atlanta as national front runners?
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Old 05-24-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Tough call I really like Seattle, Minneapolis, and Denver (though have by far spent the least amount of time there)

And honestly have found many things in Pheonix and Detroit that I enjoyed.

Hmm - I think overall I might select Seattle as it has the most dramatic setting and i would likely choose the DT as my favorite among the group. It also has the strongest economy I believe and is actually right on the heals of Atlanta currently; which from an overall size of economy Atlanta is closer to these than it is to some the others you mentioned. Mineapolis I believe is also right there as well.

For the record to me Pittsburgh and Baltimore would have likely fit into this comparison rather nicely as well.

Here are the 2009 MSA Income metrics

The Total Personal Income List 2009:
01. New York City: 998,776,802
02. Los Angeles: 551,271
03. Chicago: 418,929
04. Washington DC: 309,080
05. Philadelphia: 271,943
06. San Francisco-Oakland: 257,761
07. Houston: 255,635
08. Dallas-Fort Worth: 254,769
09. Boston: 246,471
10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale: 229,380
11. Atlanta: 199,747
12. Seattle: 166,902
13. Detroit: 165,311
14. Phoenix: 149,611
15. Minneapolis-St. Paul: 149,594
16. San Diego: 139,345
17. Baltimore: 129,061
18. Riverside-San Bernardino: 124,004
19. Denver: 117,350
20. St. Louis: 114,127
21. San Jose: 101,926
22. Tampa: 101,045
23. Pittsburgh: 99,418
24. Portland: 86,822
25. Sacramento: 85,596
26. Cincinnati: 82,897
27. Cleveland: 82,288
28. Kansas City: 81,915
29. San Antonio: 71,489
30. Orlando: 71,458
31. Las Vegas: 71,275
32. Columbus: 68,907
33. Indianapolis: 66,850
34. Virginia Beach: 66,434
35. Providence: 65,291
36. Charlotte: 65,234
37. Milwaukee: 65,031
38. Austin: 60,568
39. Nashville: 60,548
40. Hartford: 59,402
41. Jacksonville: 51,533
42. Richmond: 51,065
43. Memphis: 48,094
44. New Orleans: 47,419
45. Louisville: 47,208
46. Oklahoma City: 46,525
47. Birmingham: 43,511
48. Raleigh-Cary: 42,611
49. Buffalo: 42,155
50. Salt Lake City: 41,805
51. Honolulu: 41,282
52. Rochester: 40,586

Source: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regi...df/mpi0810.pdf
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Old 05-24-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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I consider them to be Tier 4 cities / metros with Seattle leading the way. I also think Seattle and Minneapolis will join the ranks of other Tier 3 cities (Atlanta, Miami, etc...) before the others.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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Phoenix and Denver are very similar to one another, and Seattle is a lot like Minneapolis (or so I hear). Detroit is what it is, and it isn't any of the other four cities.

I prefer Denver because, although it is a big city, it maintains a distinct small town attitude and atmosphere, and the natural beauty is a big draw.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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Phoenix and Denver are very similar to one another, and Seattle is a lot like Minneapolis (or so I hear). Detroit is what it is, and it isn't any of the other four cities.

I prefer Denver because, although it is a big city, it maintains a distinct small town attitude and atmosphere, and the natural beauty is a big draw.
I have the same concept as you do. I voted Phoenix mostly for a sympathy vote but I feel Phoenix does have the big city feel. It seems to follow places like LA in that it moreso has satellite cities rather than suburbs and they also pack quite a punch.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:10 PM
 
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Tough call I really like Seattle, Minneapolis, and Denver (though have by far spent the least amount of time there)

And honestly have found many things in Pheonix and Detroit that I enjoyed.

Hmm - I think overall I might select Seattle as it has the most dramatic setting and i would likely choose the DT as my favorite among the group. It also has the strongest economy I believe and is actually right on the heals of Atlanta currently; which from an overall size of economy Atlanta is closer to these than it is to some the others you mentioned. Mineapolis I believe is also right there as well.

For the record to me Pittsburgh and Baltimore would have likely fit into this comparison rather nicely as well.

Here are the 2009 MSA Income metrics

The Total Personal Income List 2009:
01. New York City: 998,776,802
02. Los Angeles: 551,271
03. Chicago: 418,929
04. Washington DC: 309,080
05. Philadelphia: 271,943
06. San Francisco-Oakland: 257,761
07. Houston: 255,635
08. Dallas-Fort Worth: 254,769
09. Boston: 246,471
10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale: 229,380
11. Atlanta: 199,747
12. Seattle: 166,902
13. Detroit: 165,311
14. Phoenix: 149,611
15. Minneapolis-St. Paul: 149,594
16. San Diego: 139,345
17. Baltimore: 129,061
18. Riverside-San Bernardino: 124,004
19. Denver: 117,350
20. St. Louis: 114,127
21. San Jose: 101,926
22. Tampa: 101,045
23. Pittsburgh: 99,418
24. Portland: 86,822
25. Sacramento: 85,596
26. Cincinnati: 82,897
27. Cleveland: 82,288
28. Kansas City: 81,915
29. San Antonio: 71,489
30. Orlando: 71,458
31. Las Vegas: 71,275
32. Columbus: 68,907
33. Indianapolis: 66,850
34. Virginia Beach: 66,434
35. Providence: 65,291
36. Charlotte: 65,234
37. Milwaukee: 65,031
38. Austin: 60,568
39. Nashville: 60,548
40. Hartford: 59,402
41. Jacksonville: 51,533
42. Richmond: 51,065
43. Memphis: 48,094
44. New Orleans: 47,419
45. Louisville: 47,208
46. Oklahoma City: 46,525
47. Birmingham: 43,511
48. Raleigh-Cary: 42,611
49. Buffalo: 42,155
50. Salt Lake City: 41,805
51. Honolulu: 41,282
52. Rochester: 40,586

Source: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regi...df/mpi0810.pdf
Great source.
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Old 05-24-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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I consider them to be Tier 4 cities / metros with Seattle leading the way. I also think Seattle and Minneapolis will join the ranks of other Tier 3 cities (Atlanta, Miami, etc...) before the others.
What do you cosider tier 2 cities: l.a./chicago?
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Old 05-24-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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Denver > Minneapolis > Seattle = Phoenix > Detroit
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:04 PM
 
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It's pretty funny all the usual suspect except Minneapolis. people would rather cut off their arms than live in that climate for the most part. Minneapolis in front of Denver? Can I have some f.......reality here for a change..thank you! pretty much everyone looking to move out here in California considers Denver strongly..Minneapolis/Detroit..not soo much and that is actually an understatement. Minnesosta more desirable than Colorado? I knew there were disturbed people on this site..but freaken come on.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:00 AM
 
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What do you cosider tier 2 cities: l.a./chicago?
Yes. I would also place D.C. with them.

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It's pretty funny all the usual suspect except Minneapolis. people would rather cut off their arms than live in that climate for the most part. Minneapolis in front of Denver? Can I have some f.......reality here for a change..thank you! pretty much everyone looking to move out here in California considers Denver strongly..Minneapolis/Detroit..not soo much and that is actually an understatement. Minnesosta more desirable than Colorado? I knew there were disturbed people on this site..but freaken come on.
Aww. Is someone upset about Minneapolis being part of a poll?

Funny you mention how much Californians like Denver (or Colorado). While I was living in Denver everyone was thrilled about all the pompous jackasses who moved in from Cali and then complained about how everything sucked and the weather was too harsh. Anyway, Minneapolis beats out Denver, but as far as Minnesota being more desirable than Colorado, I agree with you, it's not.

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