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Arts: In terms of fine arts, Cleveland. In terms of modern arts, Minneapolis.
Music scene: It's a draw in terms of concerts. Cleveland has the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which is a national destination, but Minneapolis has contributed more to American popular music in recent years, aside from industrial metal. Minneapolis wins by a nose.
Nightlife: If you asked me 10 years ago, I'd say Cleveland, but for one reason or another, its nightlife has lost steam in recent years, so I'd have to go with Minneapolis.
Downtown: Even in spite of the severely cold winters and the pedestrian tunnels between buildings, downtown Minneapolis has more ambiance than downtown Cleveland.
Recreation: Cleveland has a big lake, a river, and a national park in its metropolitan area, so its recreational attributes are just as good as those in and around Minneapolis, but Minneapolis seems to be a bit more recreation-minded than Cleveland does, so Minneapolis has a slight edge.
Affordability: Cleveland wins this one quite comfortably. Minneapolis is just trendy enough to be more expensive than most cities its size.
Transportation: In terms of highways, Cleveland. In terms of public transit, Minneapolis.
Diversity: It's a draw. Minneapolis is whiter and more Asian. Cleveland is blacker and more Hispanic.
Great post Gnutella. I just wanted to point out that the latest census shows Minneapolis with a larger Hispanic population than Cleveland.
2010 Census Minneapolis: 382,578
Black or African American alone - 71,098
American Indian and Alaska Native alone - 7,601
Asian alone - 21,553
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) - 40,073
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 179
Some Other Race alone - 21,374
Two or More Races - 16,687
Cleveland: 396,815
Black or African American alone - 211,672
American Indian and Alaska Native alone - 1,340
Asian alone - 7,327
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) - 39,534
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 120
Some Other Race alone - 17,502
Arts: In terms of fine arts, Cleveland. In terms of modern arts, Minneapolis.
Music scene: It's a draw in terms of concerts. Cleveland has the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which is a national destination, but Minneapolis has contributed more to American popular music in recent years, aside from industrial metal. Minneapolis wins by a nose.
Nightlife: If you asked me 10 years ago, I'd say Cleveland, but for one reason or another, its nightlife has lost steam in recent years, so I'd have to go with Minneapolis.
Downtown: Even in spite of the severely cold winters and the pedestrian tunnels between buildings, downtown Minneapolis has more ambiance than downtown Cleveland.
Recreation: Cleveland has a big lake, a river, and a national park in its metropolitan area, so its recreational attributes are just as good as those in and around Minneapolis, but Minneapolis seems to be a bit more recreation-minded than Cleveland does, so Minneapolis has a slight edge.
Affordability: Cleveland wins this one quite comfortably. Minneapolis is just trendy enough to be more expensive than most cities its size.
Transportation: In terms of highways, Cleveland. In terms of public transit, Minneapolis.
Diversity: It's a draw. Minneapolis is whiter and more Asian. Cleveland is blacker and more Hispanic.
I pretty much agree with this, but Cleveland definitely has a better transit system. It has a heavy rail line, two light rail lines, and bus rapid transit. Minneapolis has one light rail line with another on the way.
I pretty much agree with this, but Cleveland definitely has a better transit system. It has a heavy rail line, two light rail lines, and bus rapid transit. Minneapolis has one light rail line with another on the way.
Minneapolis doesn't have heavy rail, but it has commuter rail (Northstar Commuter rail). It also has the I-35W Bus Rapid Transitway from Lakeville to downtown Minneapolis. The area's second light rail line (Central Corridor) will be one of the best light rail lines in the country as it will connect downtown Minneapolis, the University of Minnesota, the Midway area (St. Paul), the Capitol area (St. Paul), and downtown St. Paul. The Cedar Avenue Bus Rapid Transitway is also under construction.
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Arts: In terms of fine arts, Cleveland. In terms of modern arts, Minneapolis.
Music scene: It's a draw in terms of concerts. Cleveland has the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which is a national destination, but Minneapolis has contributed more to American popular music in recent years, aside from industrial metal. Minneapolis wins by a nose.
Nightlife: If you asked me 10 years ago, I'd say Cleveland, but for one reason or another, its nightlife has lost steam in recent years, so I'd have to go with Minneapolis.
Downtown: Even in spite of the severely cold winters and the pedestrian tunnels between buildings, downtown Minneapolis has more ambiance than downtown Cleveland.
Recreation: Cleveland has a big lake, a river, and a national park in its metropolitan area, so its recreational attributes are just as good as those in and around Minneapolis, but Minneapolis seems to be a bit more recreation-minded than Cleveland does, so Minneapolis has a slight edge.
Affordability: Cleveland wins this one quite comfortably. Minneapolis is just trendy enough to be more expensive than most cities its size.
Transportation: In terms of highways, Cleveland. In terms of public transit, Minneapolis.
Diversity: It's a draw. Minneapolis is whiter and more Asian. Cleveland is blacker and more Hispanic.
Sorry, but that's incorrect. More PUERTO RICAN, yes, Hispanic, not even close. In fact, I want to say that the ENTIRE state of Ohio has about as many Hispanics as the entire state of MN, even though it's more than twice it's population size. Neither are major Hispanic destinations, but MN is actually becoming one, relative to Ohio anyways.
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I pretty much agree with this, but Cleveland definitely has a better transit system. It has a heavy rail line, two light rail lines, and bus rapid transit. Minneapolis has one light rail line with another on the way.
I agree. The infrastructure here in Cleveland blows me away sometimes. 8-lane freeways on just about every mile of interstate/freeway in the metro, and the traffic hardly comes close to filling them up and runs super smoothly. Compared to Cleveland, Minneapolis is light-years behind in freeway infrastructure, and the traffic is far far far worse (and it's not even that bad on a national level!!).
Arts: In terms of fine arts, Cleveland. In terms of modern arts, Minneapolis.
Music scene: It's a draw in terms of concerts. Cleveland has the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which is a national destination, but Minneapolis has contributed more to American popular music in recent years, aside from industrial metal. Minneapolis wins by a nose.
Nightlife: If you asked me 10 years ago, I'd say Cleveland, but for one reason or another, its nightlife has lost steam in recent years, so I'd have to go with Minneapolis.
Downtown: Even in spite of the severely cold winters and the pedestrian tunnels between buildings, downtown Minneapolis has more ambiance than downtown Cleveland.
Recreation: Cleveland has a big lake, a river, and a national park in its metropolitan area, so its recreational attributes are just as good as those in and around Minneapolis, but Minneapolis seems to be a bit more recreation-minded than Cleveland does, so Minneapolis has a slight edge.
Affordability: Cleveland wins this one quite comfortably. Minneapolis is just trendy enough to be more expensive than most cities its size.
Transportation: In terms of highways, Cleveland. In terms of public transit, Minneapolis.
Diversity: It's a draw. Minneapolis is whiter and more Asian. Cleveland is blacker and more Hispanic.
I agree for the most part, but I'd argue Cleveland has better transportation
I know it wasn't one of your specific criteria, but Cleveland has a bigger, more metropolitan feel to it than Minneapolis. It could be because CLE was once 5th or 6th city in the US. Also, Cleveland is a little bit more gritty (which you may or may not like)--like a NYC feel, when compared to MSP. Because of these reasons, I have always preferred Cleveland over Minneapolis, as a city to live in.
The only real upside MSP may have is direct flights to Europe on Delta (former NW hub), which if you do this weekly, the couple hours you save by not having to connect in NY (or elsewhere) from CLE may add up. If you fly to Europe only once a month (or less), I wouldn't pick MSP for its air service alone.
Another point--the future. I read that CLE has $7b in investments occurring in the city right now. In this economy, that's amazing and I don't think many--if any--cities in the US can claim that. Maybe NYC, but that would be it. The point is, CLE is truly in transformation right now with so many projects underway (new convention center, new casino, new aquarium, new hotels, new urban residential projects) that, combined with its historical big-city feel, will make CLE a denser, more vibrant city than it is today.
MSP is a great city and I like visiting there, but if I had to choose between the two to live, I would choose CLE, not just for the bigger city feel (and related amenities) but the location, the lake, and of course, the future.
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I know it wasn't one of your specific criteria, but Cleveland has a bigger, more metropolitan feel to it than Minneapolis. It could be because CLE was once 5th or 6th city in the US. Also, Cleveland is a little bit more gritty (which you may or may not like)--like a NYC feel, when compared to MSP. Because of these reasons, I have always preferred Cleveland over Minneapolis, as a city to live in.
The only real upside MSP may have is direct flights to Europe on Delta (former NW hub), which if you do this weekly, the couple hours you save by not having to connect in NY (or elsewhere) from CLE may add up. If you fly to Europe only once a month (or less), I wouldn't pick MSP for its air service alone.
Another point--the future. I read that CLE has $7b in investments occurring in the city right now. In this economy, that's amazing and I don't think many--if any--cities in the US can claim that. Maybe NYC, but that would be it. The point is, CLE is truly in transformation right now with so many projects underway (new convention center, new casino, new aquarium, new hotels, new urban residential projects) that, combined with its historical big-city feel, will make CLE a denser, more vibrant city than it is today.
MSP is a great city and I like visiting there, but if I had to choose between the two to live, I would choose CLE, not just for the bigger city feel (and related amenities) but the location, the lake, and of course, the future.
That is not the ONLY upside it has over CLE at all -- not even close! I've lived in both cities and I can tell you that they FEEL about the same, urban-wise. You can tell Cleveland is older and more historic, but it's much more run-down and decimated than Minneapolis, and Minneapolis with St. Paul is quite an infrastructure feat of its own that many people tend to forget. Minneapolis is also much much busier between the two cities and that goes a long way for "big city feel" IMO. Infrastructure-wise, Minneapolis and Cleveland are roughly equal, meaning both have TONS of infrastructure for a city of their size. Minneapolis is by far more vertical and progressive, while Cleveland is grittier and more historically-dense. The neighborhoods outside of downtown feel roughly similar to me, density-wise, except Cleveland keeps on going well into its 1st-ring suburbs.
I'd go with Cleveland over everything especially its location. Chicago to me was an island in the middle of nowhere; Minneapolis has to be worse. Cleveland has easy access to the east by car-mountains, cities etc.
Which would you guys think is easier to meet people in? Not even just the opposite gender, but as a whole?
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