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Old 09-28-2011, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I think his point was just that DC is so physically small that the heavy rail subway lines exit the city pretty easily and serve suburbs. In NYC or Chicago, there are those same heavy rail lines that run well into the night (all night), but they're almost entirely within the city limits. The issue here is that DC is like 66 square miles, and NYC and Chi are 200-300+ square miles.

For a comparison between Chicago, NYC and DC in this regards you'd have to look at coverage for the commuter rail lines around DC, not the Metro. Metro would be compared to CTA or MTA heavy rail. The only difference is that Metro physically leaves DC since in some cases you're in the suburbs within 3-5 miles from leaving the center of the city.
Yes that is true also about the size of the cities. The good thing in relation to the late night transit is DC's 37 mile streetcar network under construction right now is going to adopt Metro hours so the street cars will run till around 3:30 a.m. on Friday and Saturday also which will do even more to keep people from behind the wheel.
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Part of this is because the city limits of DC are tiny compared to NYC (or Chicago). Somebody taking the metro to Bethesda or East Falls or Silver Spring would still be within NYC city limits. So your example isnt really a fair comparison. PATH (also 24/7) takes thousands of people into New Jersey every night.
Also keep in mind taxis (which im more likely to take late at night) are far more convenient in NYC late at night, good luck getting a DC cab driver to take you to Bethesda or far flung parts of Arlington.

All trains in NYC run 24/7, Chicago has 2 lines that run 24/7. DC has zero.
Chicago is not really 24/7 if you don't live on the red or blue lines. Say you needed to transfer to another line if you lived out by Midway. You're stuck. So only NYC is 24/7.
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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Also the Metro is more of Hybrid - serves both as part regional rail like and part core heavy rail and this is a benefit and benefit to the covered hours


Also something for perspective. While allowing people to travel without a car etc is a function. Funneling home those out on all night bender is not the primary reason for rail in America, never will be
Stop it with the hybrid stuff! Metro is heavy rail/subway. Bjesus. The T goes to the burbs too. Is it a hybrid?
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Old 09-29-2011, 08:53 AM
 
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Stop it with the hybrid stuff! Metro is heavy rail/subway. Bjesus. The T goes to the burbs too. Is it a hybrid?
I think think he meant hybrid in the fact that it runs in the dense urban areas and many suburban areas as well.

Not hybrid meaning it's not really hard rail. It's hard rail all the way.
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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Chicago is not really 24/7 if you don't live on the red or blue lines. Say you needed to transfer to another line if you lived out by Midway. You're stuck. So only NYC is 24/7.
There are 19 bus lines that run 24 hours a day throughout the city. If you're by Midway, you can take the #62 Archer Bus that basically runs near the same route as the Orange Line. That will take you into the Loop where you can get the Blue and Red lines, as well as connect to 8 other night bus routes.

http://www.transitchicago.com/assets...s/nightowl.pdf

The "last trains" actually run fairly late and start fairly early.

No trains running:

Brown Line: 2:25am to 4:00am (last train Belmont, first train Kimball)
1 hour 35 minutes. Accommodates bars with a 2am closing time.

Green Line: 4:00am to 1:00am (multiple terminals, starts later on Sat./Sun.)
3 hours - supplemented by 24 hour Madison bus and 24 hour Cottage Grove bus.

Orange Line: 4:00am to 1:20am (first train out of Midway, last train from downtown).
2 hours 40 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Archer bus.

Pink Line: 4:05am to 1:25am (first train out of Cermak, last train from downtown).
2 hours 40 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Blue Island bus.

Purple Line: 4:30am to 2:15am (first train out of Howard, last train back to Howard for Red Line connection).
2 hours 15 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Central bus.

But no - it's certainly not as 24 hour as the NYC subway. I don't think anything is.


As far as this thread though - most suburban areas are served by Metra, and the last trains out of downtown are normally 12:00am to 1:00am.
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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There are 19 bus lines that run 24 hours a day throughout the city. If you're by Midway, you can take the #62 Archer Bus that basically runs near the same route as the Orange Line. That will take you into the Loop where you can get the Blue and Red lines, as well as connect to 8 other night bus routes.

http://www.transitchicago.com/assets...s/nightowl.pdf

The "last trains" actually run fairly late and start fairly early.

No trains running:

Brown Line: 2:25am to 4:00am (last train Belmont, first train Kimball)
1 hour 35 minutes. Accommodates bars with a 2am closing time.

Green Line: 4:00am to 1:00am (multiple terminals, starts later on Sat./Sun.)
3 hours - supplemented by 24 hour Madison bus and 24 hour Cottage Grove bus.

Orange Line: 4:00am to 1:20am (first train out of Midway, last train from downtown).
2 hours 40 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Archer bus.

Pink Line: 4:05am to 1:25am (first train out of Cermak, last train from downtown).
2 hours 40 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Blue Island bus.

Purple Line: 4:30am to 2:15am (first train out of Howard, last train back to Howard for Red Line connection).
2 hours 15 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Central bus.

But no - it's certainly not as 24 hour as the NYC subway. I don't think anything is.


As far as this thread though - most suburban areas are served by Metra, and the last trains out of downtown are normally 12:00am to 1:00am.

I think he said Chicago is not a 24/7 city because this thread was only about rail travel. Many people don't really like taking the bus but many cites have 24 hour buses.
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Old 09-29-2011, 02:30 PM
 
Location: NY, NY
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The city proper of NYC is great. But the suburbs don't have that option. If people in the suburbs want to come into New York and drink and have a good time, they can't take the train home. The last commuter trains leave around 1:30 a.m. People have to find other extremly expensive means of transportation or they do what we are trying to avoid and drive. It's a very serious problem and should really be tackled around the country. Washington DC is the only city that provides rail transit into the suburbs late into the night after 3:00 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays and I think a push for all systems to start doing it would be a great cause.

I think providing late night trains to at least 3:00 a.m.out of NYC if not later into the suburbs where most people in the region live would do a great deal for regional transit in New York. Drinking and driving is serious and I have many friends who have been effected by it. Nothing to play around with. I know many people think they are ok to drive but you can never be to careful. We have all been in a situation where we know we should say something to a friend. Hopefully you did.
Only Metro North stops running at 1 AM. LIRR, NJ Transit, & The Path all operate 24/7. The LIRR is the busiest suburban rail system in North America so Im gonna say the transit options in the burbs of NYC are probably as good, if not better, then DC's.
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Old 09-29-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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There are 19 bus lines that run 24 hours a day throughout the city. If you're by Midway, you can take the #62 Archer Bus that basically runs near the same route as the Orange Line. That will take you into the Loop where you can get the Blue and Red lines, as well as connect to 8 other night bus routes.

http://www.transitchicago.com/assets...s/nightowl.pdf

The "last trains" actually run fairly late and start fairly early.

No trains running:

Brown Line: 2:25am to 4:00am (last train Belmont, first train Kimball)
1 hour 35 minutes. Accommodates bars with a 2am closing time.

Green Line: 4:00am to 1:00am (multiple terminals, starts later on Sat./Sun.)
3 hours - supplemented by 24 hour Madison bus and 24 hour Cottage Grove bus.
Orange Line: 4:00am to 1:20am (first train out of Midway, last train from downtown).

2 hours 40 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Archer bus.

Pink Line: 4:05am to 1:25am (first train out of Cermak, last train from
downtown).
2 hours 40 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Blue Island bus.

Purple Line: 4:30am to 2:15am (first train out of Howard, last train back to Howard for Red Line connection).
2 hours 15 minutes - supplemented by 24 hour Central bus.

But no - it's certainly not as 24 hour as the NYC subway. I don't think anything is.


As far as this thread though - most suburban areas are served by Metra, and the last trains out of downtown are normally 12:00am to 1:00am.
holy crap 3 lines only run for 3 hours, that sucks.
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:19 PM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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The city proper of NYC is great. But the suburbs don't have that option. If people in the suburbs want to come into New York and drink and have a good time, they can't take the train home. The last commuter trains leave around 1:30 a.m. People have to find other extremly expensive means of transportation or they do what we are trying to avoid and drive. It's a very serious problem and should really be tackled around the country. Washington DC is the only city that provides rail transit into the suburbs late into the night after 3:00 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays and I think a push for all systems to start doing it would be a great cause.

I think providing late night trains to at least 3:00 a.m.out of NYC if not later into the suburbs where most people in the region live would do a great deal for regional transit in New York. Drinking and driving is serious and I have many friends who have been effected by it. Nothing to play around with. I know many people think they are ok to drive but you can never be to careful. We have all been in a situation where we know we should say something to a friend. Hopefully you did.
I agree with this post, but some of it is not true. There are a couple of suburbs that offer 24 hour transit by PATH in Hoboken, Jersey City and Harrison. Also, Weehawken is easily accessible with 24 hour transit b/c a NJ resident coming back from the city can take the PATH into Hoboken and then cab it to Weehawken, which is only about 20 bucks. Cabs are always available outside of the Hoboken PATH on a Friday or Saturday night.
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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holy crap 3 lines only run for 3 hours, that sucks.
Umm not quite the train starts at 4am and ends at 1am. SO 1am to 4am the train does not run
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