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I have heard that many ad/creative agencies based in NYC and LA will usually consider Chicago or Minneapolis as a Midwest branch before considering other MW cities. The reverse is sometimes true that growing Minneapolis agencies will try to get a branch in LA or NYC if they can. I think the trend is similar for financial firms, too.
The comment is probably more aimed at this subset of professional people in the creative and financial fields. It could have been specified better. That is my take on the comment, anyways.
Furthermore, you do have to concede that the TC are more similar in political viewpoints to LA and NYC than many other MW cities (excluding perhaps Madison, WI which is smaller).
For other residents of the TC not in the categories above, it may be similar to other Midwest cities in relating to LA and NYC.
I certainly have heard far "dumber" statements and an ultra hyper over-reaction like you had does not help others to agree with you (granted, I've had a few of those type posts too...no one is perfect, but I am learning from mistakes going forward).
Thanks for sharing your passionate disagreement.
Just picked this post as it was one of your earlier ones (that I've seen), not the content specifically. You seem a bit stuck on the passionate Gasm, but did you read the posts leading up to his and what he was responding to? The poster he is responding to is quite off base (you seem to unknowingly agree as you include Chicago in all of your posts whereas the other poster claimed how the Twin Cities are way ahead of Chicago because of "frat boys and nerds" ) and you and Gasm have seemingly wandered quite far from this initial error and are only talking about St. Louis... (which btw, does really well in the US, not just the Midwest, as far as gay rights are concerned which has become a talking point for some reason...)
Total Occupational Employment per MSA (2012)
Chicago – 3,640,660 / 3
Minneapolis – 1,749,870 / 9
St. Louis - 1,274,970 / 13
Detroit 1,072,160 / 20
Cleveland 994,380 / 25
Cincinnati 981,050 / 26
Kansas City 970,460 / 27
Labor Force Participation Rate per MSA (2011)
Minneapolis 72.4% / 1
Kansas City 71.4% 3
St. Louis 67.7% / 9
Cincinnati 66.2% 14
Cleveland 66.1% / 15
Chicago 65.6% / 17
Detroit 59.1% / 30
Percentage of Population with Bachelor’s Degree or Higher (2011)
Minneapolis – 38.5% / 4
Chicago – 34.2% / 10
Kansas City – 32.9% / 14
St. Louis – 30.7% / 18
Cincinnati – 29.6% / 20
Cleveland – 27.9% / 25
Detroit – 27.8% / 26
Percentage of Population with High School Diploma or Higher (2011)
Minneapolis – 92.8% / 1
Kansas City – 90.4%/ 4
St. Louis – 90.1% / 8
Cincinnati – 88.6% / 12
Cleveland – 88.6%/ 12
Detroit – 88.0% / 14
Chicago – 86.5% / 21
Most Literate Cities (2012)
Minneapolis – 3
St. Louis – 8
Cincinnati - 11
Kansas City – 12
Cleveland – 13
Chicago - 18
Detroit – 22
Patents 2007 – 2011
Chicago 12,784 / 6
Minneapolis 12,085 / 8
Detroit 9,919 / 9
Cincinnati 3,559 / 18
Cleveland 3,030 / 19
St. Louis 2,807 / 23
Kansas City 2,319 / 24
Academic Research & Development (2011)
Chicago $1,690.5 / 7
Minneapolis $857.5 / 14
St. Louis $832.2 / 15
Cleveland $487.5 / 19
Cincinnati $447.4 / 21
Kansas City $33.0 / 30
Detroit $288.1 / 25
Fortune 500 Companies (2013)
Chicago – 29
Minneapolis – 18
Detroit – 13
Cincinnati - 10
St. Louis – 9
Cleveland – 7
Kansas City - 3
Publicly-Held Companies (2013)
Chicago – 181 / 5
Minneapolis – 101 / 10
Cleveland – 44 / 20
Detroit – 46 / 17
St. Louis – 47 / 16
Kansas City – 36 / 21
Cincinnati – 32 / 25
S&P 500 Companies (2013)
Chicago – 30 / 2
Minneapolis – 14 / 9
Cincinnati – 7 / 14
Detroit – 6 / 17
St. Louis – 6 / 17
Cleveland – 5 / 20
Kansas City – 3 / 23
Global Fortune 500 Companies (2013)
Chicago – 9 / 2
Minneapolis – 6 / 5
Cincinnati – 3 / 11
Detroit – 2 / 14
St. Louis – 2 / 14
Kansas City – 1 / 17
Cleveland – 0
Venture Capital Investments (Millions), 2012
Chicago - $351 / 8
Minneapolis - $187 / 10
Detroit - $80 / 15
Cleveland - $75 / 17
Cincinnati - $32 / 22
Kansas City - $16 / 25
St. Louis - $15 / 26
Bank Concentration Index, 2012
Minneapolis – 3,271 / 2
Detroit – 1,441 / 10
Chicago – 832 / 23
St. Louis – 738 / 25
Cincinnati – 0
Cleveland – 0
Kansas City - 0
Exports (Billions), 2012
Detroit - $55.4 / 4
Chicago - $40.6 / 7
Minneapolis - $25.2 / 9
Cincinnati - $20.0 / 14
St. Louis - $14.6 / 17
Cleveland - $11.1 / 21
Kansas City - $7.9 / 24
Poverty Rate
Minneapolis – 11.0% / 3
St. Louis – 13.7% / 11
Kansas City – 13.4% / 9
Cincinnati – 14.3% /12
Chicago – 14.7% / 14
Cleveland – 16.0% / 19
Detroit – 18.0% / 29
GaWC Control and Command: North American Cities(MSA) Control and Command Index Rank in the world, 2012
Chicago 14
Minneapolis 23
Detroit NA
St. Louis NA
Cincinnati NA
Cleveland NA
Kansas City NA
GaWC Control and Command: US Cities(MSA) ranked by Domestic Control and Command, 2012
Chicago - 6
Minneapolis - 8
Detroit - 13
Cincinnati 18
St Louis 23
Cleveland NA
Kansas City NA
PCWorld's “America’s Most Tech-Friendly Cities - Top 10”
4. Minneapolis, MN
Chicago - NA
Detroit - NA
Cincinnati - NA
St Louis - NA
Cleveland - NA
Kansas City - NA
FORBES “The Best Cities for New College Grads in 2013” (in alphabetical order)
Minneapolis-St. Paul
St. Louis
Chicago - NA
Detroit - NA
Cincinnati - NA
Cleveland - NA
Kansas City - NA
Total Occupational Employment per MSA (2012)
Chicago – 3,640,660 / 3
Minneapolis – 1,749,870 / 9
St. Louis - 1,274,970 / 13
Detroit 1,072,160 / 20
Cleveland 994,380 / 25
Cincinnati 981,050 / 26
Kansas City 970,460 / 27
Labor Force Participation Rate per MSA (2011)
Minneapolis 72.4% / 1
Kansas City 71.4% 3
St. Louis 67.7% / 9
Cincinnati 66.2% 14
Cleveland 66.1% / 15
Chicago 65.6% / 17
Detroit 59.1% / 30
Percentage of Population with Bachelor’s Degree or Higher (2011)
Minneapolis – 38.5% / 4
Chicago – 34.2% / 10
Kansas City – 32.9% / 14
St. Louis – 30.7% / 18
Cincinnati – 29.6% / 20
Cleveland – 27.9% / 25
Detroit – 27.8% / 26
Percentage of Population with High School Diploma or Higher (2011)
Minneapolis – 92.8% / 1
Kansas City – 90.4%/ 4
St. Louis – 90.1% / 8
Cincinnati – 88.6% / 12
Cleveland – 88.6%/ 12
Detroit – 88.0% / 14
Chicago – 86.5% / 21
Most Literate Cities (2012)
Minneapolis – 3
St. Louis – 8
Cincinnati - 11
Kansas City – 12
Cleveland – 13
Chicago - 18
Detroit – 22
Patents 2007 – 2011
Chicago 12,784 / 6
Minneapolis 12,085 / 8
Detroit 9,919 / 9
Cincinnati 3,559 / 18
Cleveland 3,030 / 19
St. Louis 2,807 / 23
Kansas City 2,319 / 24
Academic Research & Development (2011)
Chicago $1,690.5 / 7
Minneapolis $857.5 / 14
St. Louis $832.2 / 15
Cleveland $487.5 / 19
Cincinnati $447.4 / 21
Kansas City $33.0 / 30
Detroit $288.1 / 25
Fortune 500 Companies (2013)
Chicago – 29
Minneapolis – 18
Detroit – 13
Cincinnati - 10
St. Louis – 9
Cleveland – 7
Kansas City - 3
Publicly-Held Companies (2013)
Chicago – 181 / 5
Minneapolis – 101 / 10
Cleveland – 44 / 20
Detroit – 46 / 17
St. Louis – 47 / 16
Kansas City – 36 / 21
Cincinnati – 32 / 25
S&P 500 Companies (2013)
Chicago – 30 / 2
Minneapolis – 14 / 9
Cincinnati – 7 / 14
Detroit – 6 / 17
St. Louis – 6 / 17
Cleveland – 5 / 20
Kansas City – 3 / 23
Global Fortune 500 Companies (2013)
Chicago – 9 / 2
Minneapolis – 6 / 5
Cincinnati – 3 / 11
Detroit – 2 / 14
St. Louis – 2 / 14
Kansas City – 1 / 17
Cleveland – 0
Venture Capital Investments (Millions), 2012
Chicago - $351 / 8
Minneapolis - $187 / 10
Detroit - $80 / 15
Cleveland - $75 / 17
Cincinnati - $32 / 22
Kansas City - $16 / 25
St. Louis - $15 / 26
Bank Concentration Index, 2012
Minneapolis – 3,271 / 2
Detroit – 1,441 / 10
Chicago – 832 / 23
St. Louis – 738 / 25
Cincinnati – 0
Cleveland – 0
Kansas City - 0
Exports (Billions), 2012
Detroit - $55.4 / 4
Chicago - $40.6 / 7
Minneapolis - $25.2 / 9
Cincinnati - $20.0 / 14
St. Louis - $14.6 / 17
Cleveland - $11.1 / 21
Kansas City - $7.9 / 24
Poverty Rate
Minneapolis – 11.0% / 3
St. Louis – 13.7% / 11
Kansas City – 13.4% / 9
Cincinnati – 14.3% /12
Chicago – 14.7% / 14
Cleveland – 16.0% / 19
Detroit – 18.0% / 29
GaWC Control and Command: North American Cities(MSA) Control and Command Index Rank in the world, 2012
Chicago 14
Minneapolis 23
Detroit NA
St. Louis NA
Cincinnati NA
Cleveland NA
Kansas City NA
GaWC Control and Command: US Cities(MSA) ranked by Domestic Control and Command, 2012
Chicago - 6
Minneapolis - 8
Detroit - 13
Cincinnati 18
St Louis 23
Cleveland NA
Kansas City NA
PCWorld's “America’s Most Tech-Friendly Cities - Top 10”
4. Minneapolis, MN
Chicago - NA
Detroit - NA
Cincinnati - NA
St Louis - NA
Cleveland - NA
Kansas City - NA
FORBES “The Best Cities for New College Grads in 2013” (in alphabetical order)
Minneapolis-St. Paul
St. Louis
Chicago - NA
Detroit - NA
Cincinnati - NA
Cleveland - NA
Kansas City - NA
Still uncertain what this means or proves. Does this mean Minneapolis is "flashy" or has "more pizzazz" or is "more like New York or LA" or "more socially liberal" than other Midwest cities? To me it only shows that Minneapolis is on average performing better economically than its peers in the Midwest, which I don't recall ever being questioned.
It is worth noting that voting Democratic is not the be all and end all of liberalism. Minneapolis has had Green Party city council members for over a decade and in 2013 came within a couple hundred votes of electing a city council member from the Socialist Action party. In 2013 the race for the second ward was between a Green and a Socialist, no Republicans or Democrats. That is not typical of most large cities in the US.
Perhaps Stlgasm hasn't spent a lot of time in those parts of the city, they are a lot different in vibe than the downtown office worker habitrail or Eden Prairie. Suburban/exurban Twin Cities is as classically Midwestern as it gets while swathes of the city are a completely different thing all together. I think this is why people often seem to have such wildly different experiences of what Minneapolis is like (moreso than most places in my experience). It really depends on where and who you are hanging out with.
Last edited by Drewcifer; 02-01-2014 at 09:57 PM..
It is worth noting that voting Democratic is not the be all and end all of liberalism. Minneapolis has had Green Party city council members for over a decade and in 2013 came within a couple hundred votes of electing a city council member from the Socialist Action party. In 2013 the race for the second ward was between a Green and a Socialist, no Republicans or Democrats. That is not typical of most large cities in the US.
Perhaps Stlgasm hasn't spent a lot of time in those parts of the city, they are a lot different in vibe than the downtown office worker habitrail or Eden Prairie. Suburban/exurban Twin Cities is as classically Midwestern as it gets while swathes of the city are a completely different thing all toghether. I think this is why people often seem to have such wildly different experiences of what Minneapolis is like (moreso than most places in my experience). It really depends on where and who you are hanging out with.
Couldn't the same be said for St. Louis, Cleveland, or Detroit?
Couldn't the same be said for St. Louis, Cleveland, or Detroit?
Yes. The difference is that most people realize that about those places. If they come to Minneapolis (especially for business) and hang out downtown with a bunch of suburbanite office workers they seem to think that is all the city is.
And yet the inaccuracies remain. Post a bunch of largely meaningless statistics, like fortune 500 companies, and mess up on the important stuff like exports and venture capital.
Yes. The difference is that most people realize that about those places. If they come to Minneapolis (especially for business) and hang out downtown with a bunch of suburbanite office workers they seem to think that is all the city is.
I must be missing something-- the same can be said for every major city/metro in the United States. Of course there are wildly different experiences between downtown and neighborhoods and suburbs. Why would Minneapolis be some anomaly in this regard?
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) and you and Gasm have seemingly wandered quite far from this initial error and are only talking about St. Louis... (which btw, does really well in the US, not just the Midwest, as far as gay rights are concerned which has become a talking point for some reason...)
