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View Poll Results: Which has a better Downtown
Philadelphia 190 62.09%
Seattle 116 37.91%
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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Have you been to Charlotte lately? Their DT has come a LONG way in just the last 5 years including light rail about 1/2 that of Seattle. Major major overhaul. You have a ton of people from NYC/Chicago/Cleveland etc that have relocated there and it has transformed significantly. Charlotte is yuppie central, maybe as many as Seattle! Don't be so quick to bash Charlotte. Charlotte is the #2 banking center in the U.S. What is Seattle #2 at? I think Portland even bests them in coffee these days so I will give them #2 in coffee. So yes, I'd say Seattle reminds me of a larger Charlotte, they have similarities certainly of the categories of what I said. Of course Seattle is better than Charlotte, no questions asked... but no more so than the gap of Philadelphia over Seattle, hence my selection of Charlotte to bring the comparison.
I went to Charlotte last year and think the gap between Charlotte and Seattle is MUCH bigger than the gap between Seattle and Philly. Seattle's downtown is a lot bigger, has a number of distinct sections (unlike Charlotte), has nearly 4-5 times as many bars/restaurants/shops, has far more foot traffic, much higher residential population, much bigger skyline, etc. etc. It's really not close.

While DT Philly surpasses DT Seattle, no doubt, the gap is not nearly as big.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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Precisely. Its like, bad karma.
Are both of you hippies? Just curious. You mentioned energy and karma, hippies are concerned with both.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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I went to Charlotte last year and think the gap between Charlotte and Seattle is MUCH bigger than the gap between Seattle and Philly. Seattle's downtown is a lot bigger, has a number of distinct sections (unlike Charlotte), has nearly 4-5 times as many bars/restaurants/shops, has far more foot traffic, much higher residential population, much bigger skyline, etc. etc. It's really not close.

While DT Philly surpasses DT Seattle, no doubt, the gap is not nearly as big.
I wouldn't say much bigger, definitely bigger. Anyway the point was made. If Philly to Seattle is a 2:1 gap, Seattle to Charlotte might be a 2.5:1 gap. It would be hard to quantify this I guess. I'm just talking DT though, not the adjacent neighborhoods. Charlotte is weak in adjacent neighborhoods while Seattle has a lot of interesting ones.
What did you think of Charlotte Uptown vs Seattle CBD?
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: LBC
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Are both of you hippies? Just curious. You mentioned energy and karma, hippies are concerned with both.
Joke fail. My bad.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Are both of you hippies? Just curious. You mentioned energy and karma, hippies are concerned with both.
No, but I was a punk rocker in the 80s. I like freaks.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Wow..I have NEVER until this day seen...Seattle Bashers? I mean, come on...why is Seattle being downplayed to the point where its being compared to Charlotte??
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:43 PM
 
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Brookings Institute did a study on American downtowns

They found only 5 downtowns they consider fully developed.

Phildelphia was one Seattle was not, interesting read none-the-less. Seattle was considered an emerging DT with the likes of LA, Portland, Atlanta, San Diego, Baltimore, and Denver. Philadelphia was catagorized with NYC, Chicago, and Boston considerred fully-developed DTs.

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Fil...1115_Birch.pdf
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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No, but I was a punk rocker in the 80s. I like freaks.
Punks are much different ideologically than hippies.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:52 PM
 
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I wouldn't say much bigger, definitely bigger. Anyway the point was made. If Philly to Seattle is a 2:1 gap, Seattle to Charlotte might be a 2.5:1 gap. It would be hard to quantify this I guess. I'm just talking DT though, not the adjacent neighborhoods. Charlotte is weak in adjacent neighborhoods while Seattle has a lot of interesting ones.
What did you think of Charlotte Uptown vs Seattle CBD?
I guess I could see some similarities in feel between these two areas, in terms of the types of buildings and streetscape. However, the scale and vibrancy of Seattle CBD is much better, IMO. Also, Downtown Seattle includes the CBD, West Edge Area, Waterfront, Westlake, Pioneer Square, and Belltown. Some might throw in the International District, and even South Lake Union (although I think that's a stretch). First Hill, Capitol Hill, Queen Anne - definitely not.

But even with the strictest definition, there's no way you can tell me Downtown Seattle doesn't blow Charlotte out of the water.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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Wow..I have NEVER until this day seen...Seattle Bashers? I mean, come on...why is Seattle being downplayed to the point where its being compared to Charlotte??
Who knows. Why was Philadelphia being downplayed on the level of Seattle? Also that is not what I did, but I'll play along...

Here is the truth, and it will certainly get some peoples panties in a bunch...but here it goes.

Seattle is probably the most overrated city on this board, definitely top 5. While Philadelphia is one of the most underrated, for whatever reason. Seattle is so far away from everything and probably the city which has the less people on the board who have been to it, so the homers can boast and make silly comparisons all the time with not many people to argue with them. This is of course brought to the spotlight when they build up enough delusions to make a thread like Seattle vs Lower Manhattan, which spawned this very thread.

Didn't you make that thread Mezter? Oh yeah you did...
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