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12-06-2011, 03:58 PM
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Location: Washington D.C.
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Which cities have higher train ridership than bus ridership? Which cities have higher bus ridership than train ridership? Do buses work better than trains? Reason's why? Do trains work better than buses? Reason's why? Why does your city prefer their mode over the other mode? Do you think it will always stay that way? What improvements are going on now that will enhance your cities transportation network?
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-City must have both options
-Included cities are NYC, DC, CHICAGO, SAN FRAN, LA, BOSTON, PHILLY, ATLANTA, DALLAS, PORTLAND, BALT, PITT, MIAMI, SAN DIEGO, SALT LAKE, MINN, DENVER, ST.LOUIS, CLEVELAND
Source for Reference:
http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf
Last edited by MDAllstar; 12-06-2011 at 05:01 PM..
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12-06-2011, 04:34 PM
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Location: Cleveland, OH
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDAllstar
Criteria:
-City must have both options
-Included cities are NYC, DC, CHICAGO, SAN FRAN, LA, BOSTON, PHILLY, ATLANTA, DALLAS, PORTLAND, BALT, PITT, MIAMI, SAN DIEGO, SALT LAKE, MINN, DENVER, and ST.LOUIS
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http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf |
You missed Cleveland with the trains too:
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar
Do buses work better than trains? Reason's why? Do trains work better than buses? Reason's why? Why does your city prefer their mode over the other mode? Do you think it will always stay that way? What improvements are going on now that will enhance your cities transportation network?
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An interesting question may be what about Bus-Rapid Transit??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRIvDvgBjqM |
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12-06-2011, 04:36 PM
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In Atlanta it is pretty much even
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12-06-2011, 09:33 PM
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Obviously DC has a higher train ridership than bus. Probably why you started this thread. Also NYC. That's probably it unless Boston or Philly are up there. Don't feel like looking at APTA. Why didn't you?
Internationally London somewhat surprisingly has much higher bus ridership than train.
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12-06-2011, 09:57 PM
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Chicago has higher bus ridership than train. For the month of September, trains boarded an average of 761,169 riders per day, with buses 1,063,433.
http://www.transitchicago.com/assets...rts/2011-9.pdf
Bus ridership has been fairly stable or falling for the past few decades, while rail ridership has actually been increasing greatly. It was fairly stable at around 575,000 on an average weekday from the 1950's through the early 2000's, when it started rising rapidly. September this year compared to September 10 years ago saw a 45% rise in rail ridership. Fairly impressive given the overall population hasn't grown.
The north side Red Line (the most used line) in 2010 gave the most rides in its entire history. The rail ridership is heavily weighted to the north side lines.
Buses get more riders because the system is very large, covering most all residences within .25 miles. Buses are used mainly for shorter rides around neighborhoods or along the many express routes on Lakeshore drive that take commuters back and forth in the morning. Trains are normally used for longer trips, and especially to take commuters downtown and back. |
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12-06-2011, 10:31 PM
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Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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You missed Houston.
Its bus fleet is massive and thus have a much higher ridership than the short Train routes
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12-06-2011, 10:35 PM
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Location: Washington D.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago60614
Chicago has higher bus ridership than train. For the month of September, trains boarded an average of 761,169 riders per day, with buses 1,063,433.
http://www.transitchicago.com/assets...rts/2011-9.pdf
Bus ridership has been fairly stable or falling for the past few decades, while rail ridership has actually been increasing greatly. It was fairly stable at around 575,000 on an average weekday from the 1950's through the early 2000's, when it started rising rapidly. September this year compared to September 10 years ago saw a 45% rise in rail ridership. Fairly impressive given the overall population hasn't grown.
The north side Red Line (the most used line) in 2010 gave the most rides in its entire history. The rail ridership is heavily weighted to the north side lines.
Buses get more riders because the system is very large, covering most all residences within .25 miles. Buses are used mainly for shorter rides around neighborhoods or along the many express routes on Lakeshore drive that take commuters back and forth in the morning. Trains are normally used for longer trips, and especially to take commuters downtown and back. |
That's very interesting. With prices being so high to build rail, many places are going to BRT. I believe D.C. is going to have higher bus ridership than rail ridership by 2030. Montgomery County and Fairfax County are building extensive BRT systems though I think Montgomery Counties will be far more extensive than Fairfax.
Here are the plans for Montgomery County:
-150 stations
-16 lines
-peak headway's will be as frequent as every 2-3 minutes on the busiest corridors
-148.3 system total miles
-two-way guideway only 24 miles
-one-way guideway only 48 miles (rush hour direction)
-guideway and bus lane 27 miles
-bus lane (both direction) 1 mile
-bus lane (one direction) 7 miles
-no guideway or bus lanes 44 miles
-26 Queue Jump Intersections
-TSP 176 intersections
-367 platform stations at 150 sites (median and curb)
-209 Concrete pads
-430 total bus fleet
http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/co...mary110426.pdf |
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12-06-2011, 10:36 PM
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Location: Washington D.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Easy
Obviously DC has a higher train ridership than bus. Probably why you started this thread. Also NYC. That's probably it unless Boston or Philly are up there. Don't feel like looking at APTA. Why didn't you?
Internationally London somewhat surprisingly has much higher bus ridership than train.
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No, just wanted to have a conversation about the advantages of bus vs. rail and how they can compete with each other. BRT can be just as fast as light rail. Portland and Cleveland have very successful lines just to name a few. |
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12-06-2011, 10:38 PM
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Location: Washington D.C.
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Originally Posted by costello_musicman
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That's one of the main reason's I made this thread. How does your BRT compete in efficiency with your rail lines? Is there much of a difference in speed? |
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12-07-2011, 10:00 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Seems like the only American cities with higher train than bus ridership are NYC, DC and Boston.
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