Cambridge, MA Vs Oakland Ca (live, best, better, compared)

[tmac9wr]

Originally Posted by btownboss4

Whats intresting about Meto Boston is it is very segrageted, for example Boston has a 90% white North end, then Just across DTX is Chinatown which is 90% non-white. and some of that is less extreme in Cambridge due to college transplants but its Neigborhoods are very distint, ethnicly and culturly

You'll find that's the case with most cities in the Northeast and Midwest. This is due to the fact that when these cities were experiencing their large growth, it wasn't common, nor acceptable (to an extent) for cultures to intermingle. It was even broken down to the point of ethnicity, not just color. That's why the North End is Italian, and Southie is Irish, etc. People often call Boston racist due to its past, but they don't realize that this was the treatment towards all others. My dad--who looks very Irish--had his tires slashed and windshield bashed in because he was picking up my mom from her apartment in the North End, an Italian neighborhood. Luckily my mom didn't get any grief because women were off limits I guess, but there was a lot of tension there.

In most of the Western/Sunbelt cities, their population booms came when social norms had changed, and the thought of a white guy and black guy deciding to go grab a beer together wasn't such a strange idea anymore. That's why you'll see less segregation in those cities. There's no point for a massive shuffle of where everyone lives, so cities like Boston, New York, Chicago, and Philadelphia will always have these ethnic enclaves.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by btownboss4

I agree but the inner 6 sq miles of Oakland I don't think is as urban as Cambridge as a Whole.

Perhaps, but forgive me if that is not really impressive to me considering that there are connected neighborhoods of 10,000+ persons per square mile extending all the way into San Leandro(3 neighborhoods connected to Oakland) and Albany(1 neighborhood connected to Berkeley) as well as about 2 dozen other Oakland neighborhoods that are connected to the former list of areas.

the area of 10,000+persons per square mile Extends over an area that is 18 Miles North to South from Downtown Albany to Farrelly Pond, San Leandro.


Here is the updated list of Oakland, Berkeley, San Leandro and Albany connected neighborhoods with a density of 10,000+ppsm
Neighborhood, City, Population Per Square Mile
Oak Tree Neighborhood, Oakland 34,447
Gold Coast Neighborhood, Oakland 29,212
Telegraph Ave neighborhood, Berkeley 28,188
Adams Point Neighborhood, Oakland 26,632
Clinton Neighborhood, Oakland 25,677
Ivy Hill Neighborhood, Oakland 22,866
St Elizabeth Neighborhood, Oakland 21,327
Merritt Neighborhood, Oakland 19,957
Harrington Neighborhood, Oakland 19,951
Patten Neighborhood, Oakland 19,950
Highland Terrace Neighborhood, Oakland 18,625
Allendale Neighborhood, Oakland 18,880
Seminary Neighborhood, Oakland 17,899
Tuxedo Neighborhood, Oakland 17,502
Rancho San Antonio Neighborhood, Oakland 17,290
School Neighborhood, Oakland, CA 16,916
Hawthorne Neighborhood, Oakland 16,752
Meadow Brook Neighborhood, Oakland 16,772
Grand Lake Neighborhood, Oakland 16,716
Bella Vista Neighborhood, Oakland 16,713
Chinatown Neighborhood, Oakland 16,554
Southside Neighborhood, Berkeley 16,438
Fremont Neighborhood, Oakland 16,096
Oakland Ave/Harrison St Neighborhood, Oakland 15,980
Cox Neighborhood, Oakland 15,674
Hegenberger Neighborhood, Oakland 15,406
Fairfax Business Neighborhood, Oakland 15,242
Sausal Creek Neighborhood, Oakland 15,138
Peralta Hacienda Neighborhood, Oakland 14,811
Jefferson Neighborhood, Oakland 14,807
Wentworth-Holland Neighborhood, Oakland 14,794
Elmwood Neighborhood, Berkeley 14,603
Webster Neighborhood, Oakland 14,294
College Avenue Neighborhood, Berkeley 14,125
Eastmont Neighborhood, Oakland 14,002
Upper Peralta Creek Neighborhood, Oakland 13,959
East Peralta Neighborhood, Oakland 13,948
Highland Park Neighborhood, Oakland 13,705
Gourmet Ghetto Neighborhood, Berkeley 13,494
Castlemont Neighborhood, Oakland 13,414
Arroyo Viejo Neighborhood, Oakland 13,404
Cleveland Heights Neighborhood, Oakland 13,354
Fairfax Neighborhood, Oakland 12,993
Civic Center Neighborhood, Oakland, 12,856
North Neighborhood, Berkeley 12,815
Old Oakland Neighborhood, Oakland 12,280
Gaskill Neighborhood, Oakland 12,276
Iveywood Neighborhood, Oakland 12,136
Paradise Park neighborhood, Oakland 11,886
Piedmont Avenue Neighborhood, Oakland 11,798
South Berkeley neighborhood, Berkeley 11,749
Havenscourt Neighborhood, Oakland 11,639
North Stonehurst Neighborhood, Oakland 11,625
Farelly Pond Neighborhood, San Leandro 11,315
Central Berkeley Neighborhood, Berkeley 11,280
Fairview Park Neighborhood, Oakland 11,213
San Pablo Gateway Neighborhood, Oakland 11,151
Santa Fe Neighborhood, Oakland 11,132
Upper Laurel Neighborhood, Oakland 11,117
Laurel Neighborhood, Oakland 10,973
Longfellow Neighborhood, Oakland 10,896
Downtown Neighborhood, Albany 10,888
Las Palmas Neighborhood, Oakland 10,838
Bushrod Neighborhood, Oakland 10,810
Eastshore Neighborhood, San Leandro 10,738
Lakeshore Neighborhood, Oakland 10,736
Upper Dimond Neighborhood, Oakland 10,626
Creekside Neighborhood, San Leandro 10,393

Also, there is another large cluster a few miles North of the Oakland-Berkeley cluster of 10,000+ppsm in Richmond-San Pablo which includes the entire city of San Pablo and the entire Unincorporated town of Rollingwood

Richmond & San Pablo connected neighborhoods
Rollingwood CDP, 14,879 persons per square mile
Forest Park Neighborhood, Richmond 14,475 persons per square mile
City Center Neighborhood, Richmond 13,706 persons per square mile
Belding Woods Neighborhood, Richmond 13,273 persons per square mile
Eastshore Neighborhood, Richmond 11,710 persons per square mile
San Pablo City, 12,057 persons per square mile
Iron Triangle Neighborhood, Richmond 10,389 persons per square mile
Panhandle Annex Neighborhood, Richmond 10,299 persons per square mile

There are also other areas in San Leandro near the Hayward border which tells me that Hayward probably has 10,000ppsm neighborhoods too.

I made a map to satisfy my own curiosity.

That large red area of 10,000+ppsm in Hayward is 27 miles from the City.

Most importantly, this is Oakland's area of influence and is totally independent of San Francisco as far as development-in fact, the neighborhoods adjacent to the Bay Bridge are are not even included in that 10,000+ cluster.ds adjacent to the Bay.

From a density standpoint, Im actually more impressed by 18 Miles worth of 10,000+density than a few miles of whatever tiny Cambridge can offer by comparison.

[18Montclair]

Anyway, as I eluded to earlier, Oakland's racial integration crosses into every socio-economic class. Below are two examples of desirable neighborhoods that have very impressive racial diversity--there are many other such neighborhoods.

Caballo Hills Neighborhood, Oakland
Average HH Income: $125,920 Onboard LLC(2009)









Cleveland Heights Neighborhood, Oakland
Average HH Income: $67,208 Onboard LLC(2009)

[btownboss4]

Cambridges 10000+ area goes 7.2 Miles from ne to SW and 6 miles from SE to NW

[kidphilly]

There is no lack of urban development and density around cambridge. IMHO fits in more cohesively than does Oakland for the area it resides, though am sure some Bay folks just flat out wont accept this notion


0157 Boston & Cambridge | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hogan3774/823204013/ - broken link)

0159 Harvard & Allston | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hogan3774/823208893/in/photostream/ - broken link)


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[18Montclair]

Yes, BOSTON has a bunch of density surrounding it, of which Cambridge is but a part, but is not the center of.

Oakland on the other hand, is the heart of a major cluster of urbanization and high density development totally independent and unrelated to San Francisco.

Hence, yet another example of why this comparison is ridiculous.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes, BOSTON has a bunch of density surrounding it, of which Cambridge is but a part, but is not the center of.

Oakland on the other hand, is the heart of a major cluster of urbanization and high density development totally independent and unrelated to San Francisco.

This is only Downtown Oakland and points South, DT and points North is a whole other vast area of high density.




Hence, yet another example of why this comparison is ridiculous.

Ah but yet another example where you only use this space when it serves your point. Funny how you do this, love this qoute, if I wasnt walking out the door I would link the one where you claim the East Bay fulfills the continuity of one urban space in the bay, totally cohesive and connected.

On the whole though I do agree the two places while having some similarities also have some differences; though in premis not a rediculous premis overall.

Also if just using East Bay without SF, Boston and the greater area is vastly larger than the East Bay on these terms; with SF they are cummulatively slightly larger based on many calculations performed in the past.

[btownboss4]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes, BOSTON has a bunch of density surrounding it, of which Cambridge is but a part, but is not the center of.

Oakland on the other hand, is the heart of a major cluster of urbanization and high density development totally independent and unrelated to San Francisco.

This is only Downtown Oakland and points South, DT and points North is a whole other vast area of high density.




Hence, yet another example of why this comparison is ridiculous.

Not true until 1850ish when the Charles was Bridged Cambridge was independant of Boston and through the 220 years of independance it got it's own suburbs.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by btownboss4

Not true until 1850ish.

There is confusion even in Boston as to what Cambridge is today:
Inner suburbs
Boston is physically very small. The inner suburbs (Cambridge, Brookline, Newton and Somerville) offer quick access to the city but with their own unique assets. Newton is the most suburban and expensive, although south Brookline can match it lawn for lawn. Cambridge is Harvard Square but also working class neighborhoods in North Cambridge. Somerville is becoming a sort of Cambridge clone.

Boston relocation

[btownboss4]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

There is confusion even in Boston as to what Cambridge is today:
Inner suburbs
Boston is physically very small. The inner suburbs (Cambridge, Brookline, Newton and Somerville) offer quick access to the city but with their own unique assets. Newton is the most suburban and expensive, although south Brookline can match it lawn for lawn. Cambridge is Harvard Square but also working class neighborhoods in North Cambridge. Somerville is becoming a sort of Cambridge clone.

Boston relocation

That site is stupid if they think Cambridge and Somerville are clones.
Cambridge has more way commuters in than out, and a majority of workers that live in the city work in the city.