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The good folks at ESPN, the AMAs and the Grammys disagree with your assertion that L.A. Live isn't world class, seeing as how they hold their annual events there. Long live suburbia! Maybe if the place was more brown and snowy, it would feel more urban to you?
DTLA is a top 10 CDB in this country. That makes it one of the best in this country, despite your less than high opinion of the place.
Actually Ray I have many good things to say about DTLA, and have often defended it and believe it has a very good future.
Not yet among the best but getting there.
SF does just fine without the snow; 4 fresh inches here this morning though and still the sidewalks were alive with people
On the AMAs/Grammys; well yes it is LA/Hollywood right, isnt that the point. They take place there but dont find the staples center itself to be any different from the Wells Fargo Center honestly
And yes not a fan of LA Live, could be the Mall on the 3rd Street prominade in many ways, but to the earlier posters I suppose it serves its purpose, just not a place I will spend my time when in DTLA
On the music center, thanks for the link, yes it is good to have arts venues DT, just like the best DTs in the country.
That is probably true. Then again we are talking about the second largest city in the country with 12 to 18 million in its metro. So that's hardly impressive.
Only because L.A. doesn't concentrate the bulk of its cultural offerings in DT, not even close. Yet it's still top 10. That's highly impressive (with regards to the city).
Only because L.A. doesn't concentrate the bulk of its cultural offerings in DT, not even close. Yet it's still top 10. That's highly impressive (with regards to the city).
Agreed. Can we agree that it should concentrate more of its activities there? A city of its stature must have a more respectable and distinguished urban core.
Agreed. Can we agree that it should concentrate more of its activities there? A city of its stature must have a more respectable and distinguished urban core.
I wouldn't agree in the sense that you mean. Downtown LA will get bigger and better, but it's never going to have the same proportional significance that you see in places like NY, Chicago or DC. Our jobs aren't going to be all in one area and it's not even in the city plans. What LA wants is to have urban nodes connected by transit built around transit stations. And it probably will. I know that people hate comparisons but in structure it's aiming more for Paris than NYC. In the long run that is probably better for a city.
Agreed. Can we agree that it should concentrate more of its activities there? A city of its stature must have a more respectable and distinguished urban core.
Us who like urban cities may think like this but most politicians don't, the westside/santa monica/ west hollywood are still the most attractive locations for business, like 2easy said LA is too multi-nodal for a NYC or Chicago type centralized city.
I wouldn't agree in the sense that you mean. Downtown LA will get bigger and better, but it's never going to have the same proportional significance that you see in places like NY, Chicago or DC. Our jobs aren't going to be all in one area and it's not even in the city plans. What LA wants is to have urban nodes connected by transit built around transit stations. And it probably will. I know that people hate comparisons but in structure it's aiming more for Paris than NYC. In the long run that is probably better for a city.
Would love to see LA follow the model of Paris but the reality is Paris will always be far closer to NY than to LA. Ville de Paris has 2.2 million people with a density of 54,000 per square mile. Not too different from Manhattan. The rest of the Paris urban area consists of inner suburbs with densities comparable to the outer boroughs of NYC and outer suburbs comparable to our suburban areas in LI, NJ and Westchester. If you are trying to say that Paris has multiple hubs of activity outside of the urban core - like La Defense - that is also actually more similar to London (e.g. Canary Wharf) and NY (e.g. Jersey City, Brooklyn) than to LA. The unifying theme among NYC, Paris and London is that, notwithstanding the fact that they each have a number of secondary hubs, they all have a very dense, large, vibrant urban core. Something that LA unfortunately does not have.
Would love to see LA follow the model of Paris but the reality is Paris will always be far closer to NY than to LA. Ville de Paris has 2.2 million people with a density of 54,000 per square mile. Not too different from Manhattan. The rest of the Paris urban area consists of inner suburbs with densities comparable to the outer boroughs of NYC and outer suburbs comparable to our suburban areas in LI, NJ and Westchester. If you are trying to say that Paris has multiple hubs of activity outside of the urban core - like La Defense - that is also actually more similar to London (e.g. Canary Wharf) and NY (e.g. Jersey City, Brooklyn) than to LA. The unifying theme among NYC, Paris and London is that, notwithstanding the fact that they each have a number of secondary hubs, they all have a very dense, large, vibrant urban core. Something that LA unfortunately does not have.
He didn't mean to say that LA is going to become the next Paris, he just said that the structure of the city nodes
Would love to see LA follow the model of Paris but the reality is Paris will always be far closer to NY than to LA. Ville de Paris has 2.2 million people with a density of 54,000 per square mile. Not too different from Manhattan. The rest of the Paris urban area consists of inner suburbs with densities comparable to the outer boroughs of NYC and outer suburbs comparable to our suburban areas in LI, NJ and Westchester. If you are trying to say that Paris has multiple hubs of activity outside of the urban core - like La Defense - that is also actually more similar to London (e.g. Canary Wharf) and NY (e.g. Jersey City, Brooklyn) than to LA.
Paris and Manhattan have similar densities, but they are structurally different from what I know about them. NYC has jobs concentrated mainly in two small area - downtown and midtown. There are secondary job centers in places like Jersey City and Brooklyn, but they are dwarfed by midtown and downtown. What that causes is that the infrastructure has to be built to get get an incredible number of people to a relatively small area in the morning and then home again in the evening. Paris is designed differently with employment spread out more evenly around the city. It's largest job center is La Defense, but that's only a fraction of the jobs in midtown or downtown. That's more how LA will be with job centers spread out around the city.
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The unifying theme among NYC, Paris and London is that, notwithstanding the fact that they each have a number of secondary hubs, they all have a very dense, large, vibrant urban core. Something that LA unfortunately does not have.
I'd say that the "core" of London and Paris is more like LA's core which runs from downtown to Koreatown and Hollywood. LA's just isn't as nice as either nor is it as nice as NY's which is structurally different. LA's core isn't that much different population wise than London's (isn't LA around 20k ppsm give or take?), just less dense and less desirable.
He didn't mean to say that LA is going to become the next Paris, he just said that the structure of the city nodes
i appreciate that but i don't see any similarities (or even potential similarities) except on the most superficial level. Its like you telling me that Portland is attempting to follow the nodal structure of NYC. Paris does have better transit connections between outer areas but the reality is it still has an extremely dominant urban core, and LA doesn't and probably never will.
He didn't mean to say that LA is going to become the next Paris, he just said that the structure of the city nodes
It isn't really following the model of Paris, but it's more like Paris than NYC, DC, or Chicago. LA has plans to connect all of it's nodes with rail, which is similar to Paris except that since LA will have only a fraction of the density, light rail should be sufficient. And stations will be 1-2 km apart instead of 0.5-1 km.
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