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View Poll Results: Which city is better for a graduate student?
Seattle 30 40.54%
Minneapolis 24 32.43%
Pittsburgh 20 27.03%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-30-2012, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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The rain isn't that bad in Seattle. I'm also used to a northern winter. Burlington, Vermont. Montreal. Plattsburgh. Erie. Buffalo. Minneapolis was the worst. What kept me going was the jazz/blues scene in St. Paul. Good times.
What keeps "us" going is alcohol, and its various forms of consumption around the city (indoors, obviously). But if this winter is any indication of the future, Minneapolis will no longer be known for bitter cold. It's been like 30+ degrees on average for a January high temp, which is astonishing to me since I'm used to the teens for highs in January, on average (updated average Jan. high temp is 22, I think.....the coldest month of the year -- July is 85 or 86 now, for avg. high, and last year was 89).
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Grand Forks, ND
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I agree, yet Seattlites will pump up their one or 2 super dense neighborhoods and use that as some measure as to why Seattle is "far more dense", when it's really about as dense as Minneapolis. Typical Seattle over-hype, which is par for the course when you ask a Seattlite a question about Seattle vs......anywhere.
You can complain about it all you want, but when it comes down to it Minneapolis does not have residential densities like this:


"X" Marks the City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiascapes/4584991866/ - broken link) by TIA International Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/tiascapes/ - broken link), on Flickr


Capitol Hill (Seattle, WA) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52847686@N07/5058800786/ - broken link) by Easy Seattle Short Sale (http://www.flickr.com/people/52847686@N07/ - broken link), on Flickr


olympic-sculpture-park-01_benjamin-benschneider_large (http://www.flickr.com/photos/35744360@N08/3487466753/ - broken link) by riowight (http://www.flickr.com/people/35744360@N08/ - broken link), on Flickr


Cityscape IV (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jglsongs/2612168237/ - broken link) by jglsongs (http://www.flickr.com/people/jglsongs/ - broken link), on Flickr

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Oh.....if you are used to swimming outside, don't live in Seattle.....it rarely gets above 80 degrees. I know I can't swim outside comfortably unless it's at least 85 degrees. Being from Orlando, I'd assume you expect heat in the summer, and Seattle is too mild for water recreation IMO. There are 3 full months of 80+ weather in Minneapolis and Pittsburgh, and plenty of partial months as well. So while you don't get the snow you would in Minneapolis or Pittsburgh in Seattle, Seattle rarely gets hot enough to sweat, and the cost of living there is 2-3 times Minneapolis or Pittsburgh.
LOL
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:25 PM
 
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You can complain about it all you want, but when it comes down to it Minneapolis does not have residential densities like this:


"X" Marks the City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiascapes/4584991866/ - broken link) by TIA International Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/tiascapes/ - broken link), on Flickr


Capitol Hill (Seattle, WA) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52847686@N07/5058800786/ - broken link) by Easy Seattle Short Sale (http://www.flickr.com/people/52847686@N07/ - broken link), on Flickr


olympic-sculpture-park-01_benjamin-benschneider_large (http://www.flickr.com/photos/35744360@N08/3487466753/ - broken link) by riowight (http://www.flickr.com/people/35744360@N08/ - broken link), on Flickr


Cityscape IV (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jglsongs/2612168237/ - broken link) by jglsongs (http://www.flickr.com/people/jglsongs/ - broken link), on Flickr



LOL
Beautiful pictures - I love the water element in Seattle. We took the Victoria Clipper to Victoria, and then a ferry to Vancouver. The area is definitely expensive, but I'd live there if I could afford to live there.

We were downtown, as well, but I can't speak to the density (although one can look that information up). I know the streets were crazy crowded with pedestrians, and we were lucky to be there when it was sunny. A great experience - wonderful memories.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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You can complain about it all you want, but when it comes down to it Minneapolis does not have residential densities like this:


"X" Marks the City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiascapes/4584991866/ - broken link) by TIA International Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/tiascapes/ - broken link), on Flickr


Capitol Hill (Seattle, WA) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52847686@N07/5058800786/ - broken link) by Easy Seattle Short Sale (http://www.flickr.com/people/52847686@N07/ - broken link), on Flickr


olympic-sculpture-park-01_benjamin-benschneider_large (http://www.flickr.com/photos/35744360@N08/3487466753/ - broken link) by riowight (http://www.flickr.com/people/35744360@N08/ - broken link), on Flickr


Cityscape IV (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jglsongs/2612168237/ - broken link) by jglsongs (http://www.flickr.com/people/jglsongs/ - broken link), on Flickr



LOL
But the numbers don't lie -- the densities aren't that far off. Both cities are only MODERATELY dense in most areas, and while a census tract may yield 50K ppsm, it's not an entire square mile by a long shot, so we're talking about a super dense TRACT, not neighborhood.

"LOL"? I guess what else can you say, right? I don't blame you.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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Beautiful pictures - I love the water element in Seattle. We took the Victoria Clipper to Victoria, and then a ferry to Vancouver. The area is definitely expensive, but I'd live there if I could afford to live there.

We were downtown, as well, but I can't speak to the density (although one can look that information up). I know the streets were crazy crowded with pedestrians, and we were lucky to be there when it was sunny. A great experience - wonderful memories.
Can't swim in that water.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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Can't swim in that water.
I stopped swimming a loooong time ago. I've always loved water, though.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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I stopped swimming a loooong time ago. I've always loved water, though.
Although I quoted you, I meant that comment for the OP or anyone else reading these posts. I obviously have no idea whether or not you like to swim

Like I said before, I can't sit here and tell the OP that Minneapolis is the better choice for XYZ reasons, because even if I think it's true, there will be a dozen people lined up to tell her that Seattle is better for some reason that seems logical to them. So my advice is to move where you want to, and if the popular concensus is to move to Seattle, move to Seattle. Minneapolis will almost NEVER be the popular vote simply because it's cold and it's Midwestern, and we all know Midwest cities are dull, cold and boring, right? That's partially why Minneapolis has little problem with homelessness and transplants, because if people move there because they want to they usually stay because they love it, but nobody moves to Minneapolis to take "the easy or comfortable" road, because there's so many other cities that are so much "cozier" and seem like nice transitions as opposed to a make or break decision. If you choose Minneapolis, be prepared to live here a while.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Grand Forks, ND
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But the numbers don't lie -- the densities aren't that far off. Both cities are only MODERATELY dense in most areas, and while a census tract may yield 50K ppsm, it's not an entire square mile by a long shot, so we're talking about a super dense TRACT, not neighborhood.

"LOL"? I guess what else can you say, right? I don't blame you.
Minneapolis has 4 tracts over 20,000 ppsm totaling 14,587 people.

Seattle has 13 tracts over 20,000 ppsm totaling 58,192 people.

The numbers speak for themselves.

And millions of people seem to do just fine swimming in the Seattle area when temperatures are below 80 degrees.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:47 PM
 
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Like I said before, I can't sit here and tell the OP that Minneapolis is the better choice for XYZ reasons, because even if I think it's true, there will be a dozen people lined up to tell her that Seattle is better for some reason that seems logical to them. So my advice is to move where you want to, and if the popular concensus is to move to Seattle, move to Seattle. Minneapolis will almost NEVER be the popular vote simply because it's cold and it's Midwestern, and we all know Midwest cities are dull, cold and boring, right? That's partially why Minneapolis has little problem with homelessness and transplants, because if people move there because they want to they usually stay because they love it, but nobody moves to Minneapolis to take "the easy or comfortable" road, because there's so many other cities that are so much "cozier" and seem like nice transitions as opposed to a make or break decision. If you choose Minneapolis, be prepared to live here a while.
I'm from Seattle and still opted Minneapolis in the poll. OP can't really go wrong in either city; if she could, perhaps she should do a quick visit to each cities and see which one vibes with her.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Minneapolis has 4 tracts over 20,000 ppsm totaling 14,587 people.

Seattle has 13 tracts over 20,000 ppsm totaling 58,192 people.

The numbers speak for themselves.
You can spin density numbers however you want but citywide Minneapolis is 7,019 psm while Seattle is 7,361 psm. In my book that is not much difference. Seattle has significantly higher density around the core. In Minneapolis the classic old medium density neighborhoods go much farther out because Minneapolis was a larger city 80 to 100 years ago.
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