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So if there was a really awesome restaurant right outside the municipal borders of Philadelphia, it wouldn't count as contributing to the Philadelphia food scene? I mean, I can see that being the case in a place with established municipal borders where there really is a strong identity shift like in Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, etc.
I was talking about laypeople. When people talk about the dining scene, they don't typically include the suburbs. There are definitely exceptions, though. Most people seem to include the DC suburbs that are on the metro as part of the DC dining scene. No one includes Baltimore or Annapolis, though. I guess what I'm saying is that if you're in a city, you're not usually going to travel an hour for lunch. That's kind of what I was going for.
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However, not everywhere takes municipal borders that seriously, especially in places out West where municipal borders are so weirdly drawn it makes no sense to constantly refer to them. People generally have different frames of references depending on where they're from. A huge chunk of LA's food scene really isn't in the municipal borders of the City of LA, yet I still consider it part of the LA food scene.
That's true. People usually count Orange County, etc. as being part of the LA food scene. LA is a city where you expect to have to drive for an hour, though.
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In addition, I've actually never heard of San Jose being a foodie destination in its own right, though it does have awesome food. I ate at a Vietnamese restaurant near Silver Creek and Capitol Expressway and it seriously had the best Vietnamese rice dishes I've ever had anywhere (including Orange County, where I lived earlier this year). However, I really only know about it because one of my good friends live there.
I included San Jose because of the Vietnamese food. It's probably not needed for San Francisco, but it's usually included.
LOL how many times have you tried to tell somebody about something you learned from C-D (of course leaving out the part that you post on and read a city-data message board every day) and they just give you a blank stare, as if they are thinking "who cares?".
Happens to me ALL THE TIME. No one cares about this stuff but us C-D'ers.
It's actually a bit sad, but some of the girls I date ask me "what's the site with a blue screen you are always on?" I have to switch it to porn sometimes because its actually less embarrassing.
I mean, to be honest, some of the stuff I do learn on here is great whenever I travel because I feel like I've been to that place before, knowing where to eat and what place is known for what. However, when it comes to the stats part of it and all the surveys, I tend to tune it out.
I actually find it weirder that people here post and make some really non-factual statement DESPITE obviously having access to Google and the rest of the internet for sources to see if their statements are right and wrong. Personally, I don't like making too many statements without backing it up with some sort of objective fact, but yet its common on this forum (which partially forms the entertainment value).
The best part about threads like these: you're taking something that isn't really city specific and making it into a city specific item. I'm sure if a 5 star chef moves from NYC or SF to a place like Wichita, KS, the quality of the food they make will suddenly drop 1000% and the chef will lose all his skill.
I feel you. I get embarrassed by pulling up this site also. If someone walks in the room I quickly change the site to NBA.com or NFL.com.
I was talking about laypeople. When people talk about the dining scene, they don't typically include the suburbs. There are definitely exceptions, though. Most people seem to include the DC suburbs that are on the metro as part of the DC dining scene. No one includes Baltimore or Annapolis, though. I guess what I'm saying is that if you're in a city, you're not usually going to travel an hour for lunch. That's kind of what I was going for.
Most "laypeople" have different visuals on what constitutes as "their area" and "not their area", which is why we are having this conversation to begin with.
Most people don't travel an hour to lunch anywhere, unless you're unemployed or have nothing better to do.
However, some city borders are drawn so weirdly that constantly referencing them as if they have the same meaning everywhere is dumb as well. I grew up in North Hollywood, which is part of the City of LA. Going to the other end of the city (San Pedro) doesn't make very much sense to eat at an Armenian place if Burbank (not part of the City of LA) is literally right down the street. Though, I will say that the San Pedro fish market has really awesome food, and I usually make my way down there every so often.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that not all places have the same suburb-city relationship that seems to be implied on CD.
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That's true. People usually count Orange County, etc. as being part of the LA food scene. LA is a city where you expect to have to drive for an hour, though.
People generally don't drive an hour to eat here though, unless you really like one place in particular to eat (see the San Pedro Fish Market above).
One of my best friends lives 2 miles from Glendale city limits in East Hollywood. If I eat at Raffis, Carousel, or Shamshiri in Glendale, it's not part of LA's food scene anymore because its not technically within the City of Los Angeles? That's what I'm driving at.
Me personally, if I don't make my own lunch, I can walk around DTLA and find plenty of places to eat for lunch. It's not that far to walk to get great Japanese food in Little Tokyo, great Mexican food along Broadway, great Mediterranean options, great Chinese options, etc.
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I included San Jose because of the Vietnamese food. It's probably not needed for San Francisco, but it's usually included.
I can see that.
Generally, for a food scene, there are no defined "borders" on what constitutes an area or not. However, generally on CD, City Limits don't have that much weight because in the real world, people move between municipal borders all the time but they generally stay within a general metro region to live their day to day lives. It's just a function of our very mobile society nowadays.
Most "laypeople" have different visuals on what constitutes as "their area" and "not their area", which is why we are having this conversation to begin with.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that not all places have the same suburb-city relationship that seems to be implied on CD.
I think we're talking past each other since we generally agree. Some suburbs are clearly part of the food scene (for another example, Miami Beach, Miami, and Coral Gables are all part of the same food scene). My main point was the greater the area covers, the less useful it becomes for comparisons. If you start including Yountville for San Francisco and Lancaster Co for Philadelphia, are you stretching the meaning of "food scene"?
Generally the "American Public" has terrible taste in everything, food included. God knows I definitely think Philly has better food than New York City
Yeah, so who cares what the public thinks. You'll set them straight on what they like.
And yeah.. I donno if you've ever actually eaten in New York or Philadelphia, but I can unequivocally say that places I've eaten in New York at a comparable price point to the places I've eaten in Philadelphia, New York can't compete. I'm sure there are great food offerings in the higher price points that Philly can't contend with, but pound for pound, Philly knocks the snot out of New York, especially in bread related categories.
Another thing, anyone who lives outside of New York knows that the number one export of New York City is New Yorkers. They keep setting up pizza shops around Lancaster and Berks and it's dog food compared to what Philly offers. they can't even make decent bread, how are they supposed to make pizza?
Is there any #1 foodie city in the country? Nah. There's a tier 1, though, and most of the cities on this list that are getting the votes definitely belong on that top tier.
Another thing, anyone who lives outside of New York knows that the number one export of New York City is New Yorkers. They keep setting up pizza shops around Lancaster and Berks and it's dog food compared to what Philly offers. they can't even make decent bread, how are they supposed to make pizza?
In the defense of New Yorkers (maybe the only time I'll ever say that), there's a good chance they left NY because they couldn't succeed there.
In the defense of New Yorkers (maybe the only time I'll ever say that), there's a good chance they left NY because they couldn't succeed there.
Also I know quite a few NY tranplant pizza places in Bucks County in particular that are pretty good if not excellent
Like all things there is some good and some bad
Honestly and maybe its just me but i dont see a ton of difference between NY and Philly pizza on the whole in quality or styling - both offer some of the best pizza in the country IMHO
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