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Old 04-30-2012, 07:33 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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I guess all that money taxpayers HAVE BEEN PAYING TO MAINTAIN CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE has now been diverted. That streetcar to nowhere in Cincinnati is another prime example of tax and spend.
I'm actually totally in favor of not having Cincinnati get the streetcar. There are probably a lot more deserving cities in both Ohio and the US in general who should get those funds. Cities like Portland get a huge return on investment for streetcar systems, because the people were mostly gung-ho for it and made actual use of the investment--there is no guarantee that the citizens of Cincinnati would know what to do with it, so I'd say give the funds to a city that resoundingly wants it and will make an effort to use it.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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I'm actually totally in favor of not having Cincinnati get the streetcar. There are probably a lot more deserving cities in both Ohio and the US in general who should get those funds. Cities like Portland get a huge return on investment for streetcar systems, because the people were mostly gung-ho for it and made actual use of the investment--there is no guarantee that the citizens of Cincinnati would know what to do with it, so I'd say give the funds to a city that resoundingly wants it and will make an effort to use it.

Use the money to improve the Cincinnati public school system.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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You know most of the non-rustbelt cities are heavily democratic and union too.

You want to know what unions can do to a city, look at Minneapolis; and it doesn't look too bad.
on the flip side.
Look at Detroit thats a good example of what Unions can do.
Unions can be a help or a pain its up to them.
UAW was living with unsustainable wages and pensions and hence why they suffered.
All about Sacrifice and compromise.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:34 AM
 
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on the flip side.
Look at Detroit thats a good example of what Unions can do.
Unions can be a help or a pain its up to them.
UAW was living with unsustainable wages and pensions and hence why they suffered.
All about Sacrifice and compromise.

The new UAW starting wage in Detroit is $14 per hour.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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When there is a reason to go shopping, dining, etc people will come. That is not the case now. A streetcar going in circles is not going to bring people in from Mason, Lebanon, Loveland....Cincy had more downtown 30 years ago than it does now. 5-star restaurants, some good bars (Flanagan's), The Old Spaghetti Factory....What does it have now?
Are you really trying to say downtown doesn't have restaurants and bars? Get f***ing real.

As an example of a great, popular restaurant downtown, the Moerlein Lager House did over $900,000 in sales in one week. Has the Old Spaghetti Factory ever done that?
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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I'm actually totally in favor of not having Cincinnati get the streetcar. There are probably a lot more deserving cities in both Ohio and the US in general who should get those funds. Cities like Portland get a huge return on investment for streetcar systems, because the people were mostly gung-ho for it and made actual use of the investment--there is no guarantee that the citizens of Cincinnati would know what to do with it, so I'd say give the funds to a city that resoundingly wants it and will make an effort to use it.
And what makes Cincinnati less deserving than other cities? Why should Cincy be ignored?

The residents of Cincinnati voted TWICE in favor of the streetcar, despite the media's constant anti-streetcar articles/commentaryand straight up lies. I would say the people want it.
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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I'm actually totally in favor of not having Cincinnati get the streetcar. There are probably a lot more deserving cities in both Ohio and the US in general who should get those funds. Cities like Portland get a huge return on investment for streetcar systems, because the people were mostly gung-ho for it and made actual use of the investment--there is no guarantee that the citizens of Cincinnati would know what to do with it, so I'd say give the funds to a city that resoundingly wants it and will make an effort to use it.
Like what city should get the streetcar system in ohio......Columbus?

Why shouldnt cincinnati get it have you even been here and seen the neighborhoods that it will go through. It will go through very high class shopping areas with tons of offices and just to add very liberal areas also.
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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The new UAW starting wage in Detroit is $14 per hour.
yep and how long did it take to get a realistic contract like that?
Well GM/Chrysler went bankrupt due to pensions............
UAW should of stopped this YEARS ago. not wait until their employers are almost bankrupt.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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The only legit rust belt revival is Pittsburgh.
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Old 05-04-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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The only legit rust belt revival is Pittsburgh.
Your much larger, more culturally blessed RIVAL to the west, is the REVIVAL CITY of the ages ... CLEVELAND

Not to detract from Pittsburgh's obvious success, but your blunt statement is rather dis-ingenuous ... very short on the facts!
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