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Old 05-05-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Originally Posted by Locutus of Board View Post
I disagree. Cleveland has investment projects and a nice downtown, but it also has massive stretches of blighted neighborhoods, with continued high levels of population loss. Cleveland is something in between Pittsburgh and Detroit. Cleveland has had many alleged comebacks over the past 35 years, but continues to be a sick man with serious challenges. Pittsburgh's overall health is much better than Cleveland's.

I am not from Pittsburgh, btw, and truthfully don't even give a **** about the city. But unlike every one else posting here I'm trying to answer the question objectively.
I respectfully disagree. Living here in Cleveland is quite different from someone who only reads articles online, or in magazines ... Even a casual visitor to the city isn't going to truly know what's REALLY HAPPENING here. I proudly reside here, so let me fill in the details with FACTS ....

Cleveland DOES have large swaths of blighted areas, but then so does Pittsburgh .. The incessant mentioning of Cleveland's population exodus is totally played out now. It's tired and it's old news.
Cleveland is gaining in population now, or have you not heard? Our downtown is the largest in Ohio, and is the 2nd largest in the Midwest. Residential occupancy in the city center is at 97% - There are not enough available housing units to meet this growing demand, so many structures are being built or re-purposed to address the issue. Want some proof?

Under utilized skyscrapers are actually being converted to upscale residential dwellings ...

K&D Group plans to buy, remake East Ohio Building in downtown Cleveland as 223 apartments by 2014 (gallery) | cleveland.com

This is just one of MANY projects that are underway to meet the high demand for residential housing in Cleveland's city limits ... across the city are other residential projects.

Witness the latest residential / retail "village" being built in beautiful University Circle ...

Uptown Apartments!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/re...g-project.html


Many of the once blighted inner city neighborhoods are experiencing renewal through the collaborative efforts of the city, along with private and corporate sponsor-ships.

I've never before witnessed such incredible MOMENTUM in Cleveland ... this is the beginning of a very bright era for the city.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Soooooo you can't say a bad thing about Indy? Okay....don't say I didn't give you a chance to be credible!

P.S. loaded the video but saw it was an hour, and decided to just peek and the beginning and end and didn't get much. TOO LONG man!
Revitalizations are best explained in a 55 minute movie than a sentence.
Thats your problem then. not mine.
Pictures in the Movie explain the incredible urban transformation Indy went through.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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Revitalizations are best explained in a 55 minute movie than a sentence.
Thats your problem then. not mine.
Pictures in the Movie explain the incredible urban transformation Indy went through.
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh PA
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From what I understand, Indy is more "rust belt" in the sense Boston is. They diversified their economy before manufacturing took a turn for the worse in the country unlike more traditional rust belt cities such as Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo (Baltimore could fit in this group but not to as much of an extreme as the other cities mentioned). The city in Indiana that is pure rust belt would by Gary. Indianapolis made a good decision back when they diversified their economy, as can be seen in their lack of a population free fall of the more traditional rust belt cities. Pittsburgh just now is starting their population turn around after 60+- years of population freefall (even from the metro level) so I for one can say that it is nice to see progress going on in the city that just 10 years ago was considered a smoky h**l hole
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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From what I understand, Indy is more "rust belt" in the sense Boston is. They diversified their economy before manufacturing took a turn for the worse in the country unlike more traditional rust belt cities such as Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo (Baltimore could fit in this group but not to as much of an extreme as the other cities mentioned). The city in Indiana that is pure rust belt would by Gary. Indianapolis made a good decision back when they diversified their economy, as can be seen in their lack of a population free fall of the more traditional rust belt cities. Pittsburgh just now is starting their population turn around after 60+- years of population freefall (even from the metro level) so I for one can say that it is nice to see progress going on in the city that just 10 years ago was considered a smoky h**l hole
If you compare Indy before the city county consolidation in the 60's it's more comparable. The original Indy up to the late 60's has go e from 475,000 to around 288,000 in 2010, a 40% drop. The city has grown cause it physically grew and ate the suburbs and open land to develop.

As most people said though, Indy isn't a rust belt city.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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If you compare Indy before the city county consolidation in the 60's it's more comparable. The original Indy up to the late 60's has go e from 475,000 to around 288,000 in 2010, a 40% drop. The city has grown cause it physically grew and ate the suburbs and open land to develop.

As most people said though, Indy isn't a rust belt city.
Center Township in Marion County is the general rule of thumb to use for Pre-Consolidated Indianapolis.
But even the Urban Core is starting to turn around with neighborhoods like the Near East Side/Fountain Square/Near North Side and Downtown under some major revitalization efforts.
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Old 05-06-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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If you compare Indy before the city county consolidation in the 60's it's more comparable. The original Indy up to the late 60's has go e from 475,000 to around 288,000 in 2010, a 40% drop. The city has grown cause it physically grew and ate the suburbs and open land to develop.

As most people said though, Indy isn't a rust belt city.
It's rustbelt. Unigov was in 1967-68. Indianapolis started diversifying its economy mid 70's and went the sports theme. It just didnt wait for the bottom to fall to fall out like detroit, cleveland and gary and gary still eont try to diversify. They r hellbent on manufacturing.

Truest of the rustbelts (cleveland, akron, detroit, pbg) are all diversifying thei economies. Chicago has always had a diversified economy and to some extent msp (granted dont reallu know the extent of the iron ore industry in the northern part of the state and its impact kn them.)
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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Revitalizations are best explained in a 55 minute movie than a sentence.
Thats your problem then. not mine.
Pictures in the Movie explain the incredible urban transformation Indy went through.
It's hard to describe it as "incredible" when it still has such a low population density, even in its downtown which is probably the most vibrant part of the city. Indy has problems, but they are not the same kind of problems, necessarily, as old "Rust Belt" cities.
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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It's hard to describe it as "incredible" when it still has such a low population density, even in its downtown which is probably the most vibrant part of the city. Indy has problems, but they are not the same kind of problems, necessarily, as old "Rust Belt" cities.
I say incredible by midwest/Indiana standards leaning more torwards the midwest.
We go from vacant storefronts and basically a dead downtown to skyscrapers and a booming fastest growing metropolis in the midwest in 25 years
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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More proof positive that Cleveland is very much on the mend - it's misfortunes have been reversed!

Cleveland's inner city is growing faster than its suburbs as young adults flock downtown | cleveland.com
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