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Old 10-01-2019, 07:17 PM
 
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But why say under 40-yr olds ..... basically, don't hold Pittsburgh's past against it. Yet push that for Cleveland. Basically, you are saying it is by those who did not live to know that era of the river fire etc.?

Kind of a double standard. Not that I disagree on Pittsburgh. But still..... all those threads that say Cleveland never gets a break. Here for its past. You seem to prove them right.
I think what he was saying if the actually situation in Pittsburgh vs Cleveland is pretty similar but Pittsburgh has a better PR department.
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Old 10-01-2019, 09:36 PM
 
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I think Cleveland's rep sucks and honestly I think *that* sucks. Maybe I'm painting a bad picture. Now that I think about it, young people *wouldn't* really know about that stuff. It just seems that Cleveland is one of those cities that's synonymous with "bad", so its bad rep just snowballs

And I guess I'm just giving examples of why *I* would want to live in Pittsburgh if I did, which I don't. Other young people looking for a city may not see it that way. Not trying to lift up Pittsburgh while simultaneously trashing on Cleveland, if that's how it sounded.
Yes, Cleveland's reputation sucks among a lot of people, but not all. In fact, the city has a better reputation, now, than it has had in decades. The Cavs title, the Rock Hall, the Flats and even its sterling rep from visitors to the 2016 RNC have been changing tunes. Maybe you need to visit and see for yourself. Better than perpetuating bad reps.
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Old 10-01-2019, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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I think what he was saying if the actually situation in Pittsburgh vs Cleveland is pretty similar but Pittsburgh has a better PR department.
yeah if you only read online stuff about Pittsburgh you'd think it was a lot more than it is, and you'd think Cleveland was a lot less than it is. Both are good places though, big progress happening on many fronts. Living in Cleveland now vs 7-8 years ago the last time I was here, it's a vastly improved experience IMO.
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The word "overblown" implies everybody is talking about rust belt revivals. Honestly outside of a few people from cities like St Louis, Cleveland, or Detroit who are seeing some positive development going on, I rarely if ever hear this talked about. So at least in my experience, no, it's not overblown.
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Old 10-02-2019, 01:53 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Pittsburgh-Youngstown-Cleveland-Toledo-Detroit would be a fantastic train route. Maybe call it the Belt Line?
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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Pittsburgh-Youngstown-Cleveland-Toledo-Detroit would be a fantastic train route. Maybe call it the Belt Line?
The route for Amtrak's Lake Shore Limited, from Boston/NYC to Chicago ( trains link in Albany) is pretty close to that..
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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The word "overblown" implies everybody is talking about rust belt revivals. Honestly outside of a few people from cities like St Louis, Cleveland, or Detroit who are seeing some positive development going on, I rarely if ever hear this talked about. So at least in my experience, no, it's not overblown.
Don’t you remember the lead up to the RNC in 2016 or after the Cavs won the NBA championship there was a lot of sappy “the Cavs mirror the City is rising from the bottom” and “This Cleveland isn’t the Cleveland you know its new and exciting and young etc”

Pittsburgh gets and absurd about of press about its revival that seems to be on a fairly small scale too.
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Old 10-02-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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I would say a true rust belt revival would require a growing population at both the city, core county and MSA levels.

A more limited "growth without growth" revival can be see in cities where: the city/county population is pretty flat, but the core of the city is revitalizing and a few of the close in neighborhoods are growing/becoming more vibrant. Pittsburgh seems to be the formost example of this.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Don’t you remember the lead up to the RNC in 2016 or after the Cavs won the NBA championship there was a lot of sappy “the Cavs mirror the City is rising from the bottom” and “This Cleveland isn’t the Cleveland you know its new and exciting and young etc”

Pittsburgh gets and absurd about of press about its revival that seems to be on a fairly small scale too.
The media loves rust belt porn. This narrative will never stop. Probably more annoying to people who live here.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:13 PM
 
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The media loves rust belt porn. This narrative will never stop. Probably more annoying to people who live here.
NYT travel section is pretty amazed when any other city has anything that’s good.

They would be shocked to find good BBQ in Kansas City it seems
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