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A good measure of a city's influence and prestige is also reflected in its colleges and universities, and in that regard, St. Louis is heads and shoulders above all other cities in this thread. Yet another reason (aside from population) that St. Louis should be grouped with Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minneapolis, etc. over the cities listed.
A good measure of a city's influence and prestige is also reflected in its colleges and universities, and in that regard, St. Louis is heads and shoulders above all other cities in this thread. Yet another reason (aside from population) that St. Louis should be grouped with Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Minneapolis, etc. over the cities listed.
While I would agree with this. You can't ignore that fact that KC is attached at the hip to Lawrence, KS, a major university town. Lawrence is less than 20 minutes from the metro's western suburbs and 45 minutes from Downtown KCMO and KU is a huge part of KC's academic culture (on both sides of the state line). The University of Central Missouri in Warrensburg is also within an hour of downtown KCMO and much closer to the eastern suburbs of KC.
So while KC does not have the urban schools that some major cities have (I personally think UMKC is very good though), the metro has some good sized stand alone colleges very close by that are very much intertwined in the metro KC community.
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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I'll add Northeast Arkansas and parts of western Tennessee for St. Louis. St. Louis is a very common trip for those. Also, Northwest Arkansas for KC. I used to see Arkansas plates in KC quite a bit. I assume they were mostly from fast-growing NWA considering their cars were very nice and they didn't sound like Arkansas people I knew growing up.
I'd also have to disagree about St. Louis having just a little pull over Illinois. St. Louis has a relatively strong pull over all of Downstate Illinois (below I-80). Central Illinois and Southern Illinois both have strong ties to St. Louis. You also see a lot of Kentucky and Indiana plates here, as well as Iowa and Oklahoma ones. So i'd say that pretty much any state along the I-55, I-64, or I-70 corridors is fair game to spot in St. Louis, although St. Louis being very near dead center in the country and being at a state line means you'll see plates from all over.
I have seen license plates from all 50 states here at some point or another.
What's the big deal about having a capital building? Chicago doesn't have one, and it still schools Indy. St. Louis has the Arch, the Federal Courthouse, etc. Jefferson City has a capital building...Jefferson City is the best city in Missouri!:smack :
Be careful there. Smacking yourself in the head too many times could cause brain damage.
What's the big deal about being the capitol city? Really?
You are right, Chicago isn't the capitol of Illinois and still trounces Indy when all things are considered.
But, no matter how much pull or sway the Windy City has, at the end of the day it ultimately has to answer to Springfield.
Indianapolis is where the decisions get made in Indiana.
Jefferson City is where the decisions get made in Missouri.
And Lincoln is where the decisions are made in Nebraska.
St. Louis, Kansas City, and Omaha are at a (whatever size it may be) disadvantage there. On top of that, St. Louis and Kansas City split their metro area with neighboring states. In their cases they have to compete for attention, time, and money from the capitol, Jefferson City. On top of that, those cities don't even have control over substantial portions of their metro areas. That is: Kansas City, Kansas and East St. Louis.
If Missouri wants to make their dominate city's metros better, Jefferson City has to work with Springfield and Topeka.
In short, is the Capitol building in and of itself an added amenity? Not really. But what goes on inside that building certainly brings more time, attention, and money to the place where that building is located. Also not having to deal/work with another state to make things better in the metro is a positive, in my mind at least.
Not walkable?? Tell that to the thousands of visitors from the northeast who was downtown during the superbowl saying how walkable the place was to get to everything within shorter distance without going all over the city.
Indy is apparently more popular with this much walkable activity. Please put your glass back on so you can see as millions were packing these streets.
Speaking of walkable about every corner you turn people are walking all over downtown with many places that are within walking distance.
You can see how thick the crowds where that night. The most crowded of any street that day in the midwest including Chicago's Michigan Avenue. It was so crazy it felt like being packed in like NYC's Time Square for the ball drop you could barely even move. Only New Orleans and Indy are the most walkable to more stuff during a Superbowl without the car or light rail.
St Louis and KC you better stick to your neighborhoods for now. Indy's downtown is more vibrantly superior.
I thought the toll road from Honolulu to San Francisco had been put on hold for a lack of funding.
Maybe I should have kept better track of that project.
You do see Hawaiian plates on the mainland every once in a very long while. I guess mostly from people who moved back and hadn't gotten new plates yet.
I actually bought an old car that originally came from Hawaii once.
Ok we get it, Indy has hosted the Super Bowl. So has Jacksonville. Who cares
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