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Correct. Thats the point to the thread. Question answered and it happens to be the unbiased truth. Thanks for recognizing you were wrong.....
My argument from the very beginning was not that NY-Philly is more connected than San Fran/San Jose if you go back and read my posts. I was just trying to prove that there is a strong connection between NY and Philly... people think it is just rural between NY and Philly because they take the NJ Turnpike... if you actually take Route 1 or I-95 you will see how dense the connection is. It is very Urban and Suburban mixed throughout. There is currently a TON of construction as well. The area is becoming more connected every year. Obviously San Fran and San Jose are more connected, I was just showing that Philly and New York are connected too, just not as well as San Fran/San Jose
bs. yes there is. nyc is huge. 23 million people extends a lot further out than a city like boston would. 100 miles would be far by boston or san francisco standards but nyc is one of the biggest cities in the world and philly is one of the biggest cities in the country. not to mention the development cenetered around trenton in between the two. 100 miles is nothing, ESPECIALLY the 100 miles that lies between these two monsters.
I agree in general, but the development isnt as dense. The bay area is one metro.
I agree in general, but the development isnt as dense. The bay area is one metro.
For the last damn time... the Bay Area is NOT one metro. It is two metros. The San Fran/Oakland Metro and the San Jose Metro. It is one CSA. Two very different things.
I agree in general, but the development isnt as dense. The bay area is one metro.
that's because the buildable land between sf and sj is only a few miles wide. if they had the topography that's between nyc and philly, they'd be similarly developed in a wider range as nyc and philly and dc and baltimore are.
For the last damn time... the Bay Area is NOT one metro. It is two metros. The San Fran/Oakland Metro and the San Jose Metro. It is one CSA. Two very different things.
Technically, the Bay Area is made up of 6 different metros
Vallejo-Fairfield MSA
Santa Rosa MSA
San Francisco-MSA
San Jose MSA
Santa Cruz MSA
San Benito MSA
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bs. yes there is. nyc is huge. 23 million people extends a lot further out than a city like boston would. 100 miles would be far by boston or san francisco standards but nyc is one of the biggest cities in the world and philly is one of the biggest cities in the country. not to mention the development cenetered around trenton in between the two. 100 miles is nothing, ESPECIALLY the 100 miles that lies between these two monsters.
Agreed.
New York City is a little more than 8 times the size of San Jose and 10 times the size of San Francisco, so its sphere of influence should be 10 times as large.
Same thing for Philadelphia, which is 50% larger than San Jose and nearly twice as large as San Francisco.
But given the geographic constraints of the Bay Area and the lackthereof in Philadelphia/NYC, SJ and SF have to be a bit more connected.
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Those numbers were exaggerated on both sides.
from NY to Phi and SF to SJ, this is by car in the real world. Downtown to downtown. And city limits to city limts Phi/NY is still around 80miles, SF/SJ is in the 30s.
Driving directions to Philadelphia, PA from New York City
Distance: 93.71 miles — Time: 1:45 h
Driving directions to San Jose, CA from San Francisco
Distance: 48.38 miles — Time: 51 mins
City limit to city limit, NYC's Southern end is at Staten Island, not on Manhattan. Staten Island to Philadelphia as the crow flies is 46 miles.
SF-SJ city limits to city limit is 25 miles as the crow flies. The distances are much smaller than what you realize.
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For the last damn time... the Bay Area is NOT one metro. It is two metros. The San Fran/Oakland Metro and the San Jose Metro. It is one CSA. Two very different things.
For the last damn time... You have no idea what you're talking about and have a lack of understanding of the dynamics and layout of the Bay Area as well as US census methodology and why certain regions come out looking like they do when that methodology is applied to them.
There is tons of evidence in this thread pointing to why the Bay Area is best represented by the CSA measurement. At this point, you're simply being wilfully ignorant.
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