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Old 04-16-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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I keep seeing people arguing about densities so I tried to come up with a way of making sense of it. Hopefully I made a dent. The following map has density (people/sq.mi) on the Y-axis and area (sq.mi) on the X-axis. For a given X, the chart is "The population density of the densest X sq. mi. of the city."



Since census tracts go by county, these values are actually for the relevant counties. Just as well since adding some suburban county won't make a dent in the core density anyway. I combined the 5 counties that make up NYC. I wanted to add DC, I couldn't find census tract info for it in a table form - I'll add it if you can point it out. Looking for other suggestions - I could throw in another city in there if people are interested.

Notes:
All data from the 2010 census
The X-axis is on a logarithmic scale
In principle, the "densest X sq.mi." might not be contiguous, but in practice the densest parts of a county are usually close to one another if not touching.
There's some bumpiness from round-off errors. The actual trend should be consistent decline.
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:37 PM
 
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problem with this is that in some counties ares just the core (SF, Philly) or part of the core (NY) while others the county includes multiple cities (Harris, LA, etc)
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I keep seeing people arguing about densities so I tried to come up with a way of making sense of it. Hopefully I made a dent. The following map has density (people/sq.mi) on the Y-axis and area (sq.mi) on the X-axis. For a given X, the chart is "The population density of the densest X sq. mi. of the city."



Since census tracts go by county, these values are actually for the relevant counties. Just as well since adding some suburban county won't make a dent in the core density anyway. I combined the 5 counties that make up NYC. I wanted to add DC, I couldn't find census tract info for it in a table form - I'll add it if you can point it out. Looking for other suggestions - I could throw in another city in there if people are interested.

Notes:
All data from the 2010 census
The X-axis is on a logarithmic scale
In principle, the "densest X sq.mi." might not be contiguous, but in practice the densest parts of a county are usually close to one another if not touching.
There's some bumpiness from round-off errors. The actual trend should be consistent decline.
NEI posted graphs that are very similar to these on the urban planning forum.

NYC is obviously the most urban, dense city in the country. Followed by SF, Chicago and LA. The next tier is Philly and Boston.

The graph is slightly hard to interpret because it covers such a broad range.

Houston has a census tract over 50k ppsm? Where is that?
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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problem with this is that in some counties ares just the core (SF, Philly) or part of the core (NY) while others the county includes multiple cities (Harris, LA, etc)
Yeah - if only there was some consistency behind what it takes to be a county. Still, the core few sq.mi won't change unless a neighboring county somehow has a hyperdense census tract. To demonstrate, I did the same chart as above except I added all of Middlesex county to Boston's profile. The core basically doesn't budge, but the tail gets longer and higher:



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Houston has a census tract over 50k ppsm? Where is that?
I have it as tract 4214.02, west of West University Place (pdf).

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Old 04-16-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Yeah - if only there was some consistency behind what it takes to be a county. Still, the core few sq.mi won't change unless a neighboring county somehow has a hyperdense census tract. To demonstrate, I did the same chart as above except I added all of Middlesex county to Boston's profile. The core basically doesn't budge, but the tail gets longer and higher:




I have it as tract 4214.02, west of West University Place (pdf).

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Ah I see it now. Interesting.

The only county that has additional dense neighborhoods outside the central is LA County with Long Beach getting up into the 30-50k ppsm range.
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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Houston has a census tract over 50k ppsm? Where is that?
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I have it as tract 4214.02, west of West University Place (pdf).

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Odd. Would have thought it would be Greenway. It has its own zip code and because it is small it has a much higher density than Gulfton. I guess the census tracks in Gulton broke up the area while that in Greenway added lower density area
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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Problem with Miami-Dade is most of it is uninhabitable land:http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pag...144/f11144.jpg
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Its interesting that at 1 sq mile LA, SF, and Chicago are essentially equal.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Glendale, CA
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Since census tracts go by county, these values are actually for the relevant counties
Maybe I've misunderstood, but are you comparing the population density of 4,060 sq. mile Los Angeles county (much of which is uninhabited mountains and desert) with 46 sq mile San Francisco county (which is all the city of San Francisco)?

Or am I interpreting your statement incorrectly?

Land areas of the counties (sq. miles):
Maricopa: 9,203
Los Angeles: 4,060
Miami-Dade: 1,898
Harris (Houston): 1,729
Cook: 946
New York: 303
Philadelphia: 135
Suffolk (Boston): 59
San Francisco: 46

That's a pretty huge difference....
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Problem with Miami-Dade is most of it is uninhabitable land
Why is that a problem? Wouldn't that act as a barrier to sprawl and tend to make the habitable parts more dense?
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