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I'm as happy as can be. I know Texas is the south, but I also recognize that there is a subculture of less observant people who don't see it that way. It doesn't change reality, though.
The majority of every definition of the "American South" you will find includes Texas. I respect your opinion, but you'll just have to live with the fact that you're in the minority; a group who, quite frankly, has no idea what they're talking about. But we're beating a dead horse here.
I'm as happy as can be. I know Texas is the south, but I also recognize that there is a subculture of less observant people who don't see it that way. It doesn't change reality, though.
The majority of every definition of the "American South" you will find includes Texas. I respect your opinion, but you'll just have to live with the fact that you're in the minority; a group who, quite frankly, has no idea what they're talking about. But we're beating a dead horse here.
If you read our posts carefully, you will see that, in essence, chiatdal and I are both right.
I never said that Texas doesn't have many, many Southern elements, etc. It in fact does.
However, Texas is an amalgamation.
This situation is an example of "both-and" rather than "either or."
Texas is very Southern in a lot aspects--but it is not a part of the American South.
Texas is Texas...and that is a good thing. Beautiful blended culture, beautiful state, and wonderful pride. Like they say--it is like its own country. I personally love this about Texas. There is even a dialect out there known as "Texas German." Awesome.
Capital of Texas: Austin
Capital of the American South: Atlanta
Texas (state) is Texas (region/cultural region/"like another country).
Is that better?
Houston has many, many Southern elements/characteristics--which makes it an integral part of the wonderful amalgamation that is Texas.
This is "both-and" not "either-or."
Chicago fits in to the midwest just about as much as Houston fits into the south.
Take out Houston from the South, then do the same for Chicago from the Midwest. Take out Detroit too.
reordering it you get:
Atlanta vs. Cleveland
Charlotte vs. Minneapolis
Nashville vs. Kansas City
New Orleans vs. St. Louis
Raleigh/Durham vs. Columbus
Richmond vs. Indianapolis
Memphis vs. Cincinnati
Jacksonville vs. Omaha
Birmingham vs. Milwaukee
If you read our posts carefully, you will see that, in essence, chiatdal and I are both right.
I never said that Texas doesn't have many, many Southern elements, etc. It in fact does.
However, Texas is an amalgamation.
This situation is an example of "both-and" rather than "either or."
Texas is very Southern in a lot aspects--but it is not a part of the American South.
Texas is Texas...and that is a good thing. Beautiful blended culture, beautiful state, and wonderful pride. Like they say--it is like its own country. I personally love this about Texas. There is even a dialect out there known as "Texas German." Awesome.
Capital of Texas: Austin
Capital of the American South: Atlanta
My biggest question is how did North Florida manage to fit into your definition of the South, but not East Texas? Obviously, you feel that not all of Florida could be included.
My biggest question is how did North Florida manage to fit into your definition of the South, but not East Texas? Obviously, you feel that not all of Florida could be included.
Good question.
Because Texas is truly an amalgamation--a blended culture, region, nation with many Southern (and other elements).
That is not really the case in Florida. South of Orlando, "southerness" is found mainly in a lot of the native black population and some of the left-over rural communities in the Florida "spine." There hasn't been much of blend between these communities and the other New Floridians that came. A very stark contrast. The population of the New Floridians is very large as well--overwhelming in comparison.
And--you just caint have Texas without East Texas--that destroys the wonderful nation/amalgamatioin that is Texas!
North Florida and New Florida can be like two different states. And--there is still some talk about parts (or all) of North Florida joining Alabama and/or Georgia. Especially in the panhandle (joining Alabama).
Because Texas is truly an amalgamation--a blended culture, region, nation with many Southern (and other elements).
That is not really the case in Florida. South of Orlando, "southerness" is found mainly in a lot of the native black population and some of the left-over rural communities in the Florida "spine."
Despite what you think, the entire state is not a blend of culture. The only culture to be found in most of East Texas is southern and/or Cajun. Pure southern culture doesn't just magically begin once you cross into Louisiana (which, in many ways, is hardly distinct from East Texas).
And--you just caint have Texas without East Texas--that destroys the wonderful nation/amalgamatioin that is Texas!
North Florida and New Florida can be like two different states. And--there is still some talk about parts (or all) of North Florida joining Alabama and/or Georgia. Especially in the panhandle (joining Alabama).
You can't have Florida without North Florida, either. At this point, deciding which gets to be called "the South" is completely arbitrary on your part, and not really supported by any reason.
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