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250k in the city limits? El Paso maybe. Unless you include Juarez, which I don't.
I thought about Indianapolis, but that's only because I expected it to be more urban than it was. To be more like other midwest urban cities. Expectations aside, it has too much to be at the bottom.
I also thought about OKC, but it's not really that different than Raleigh, Nashville, Charlotte, etc. So I guess that I'll stick with El Paso for now.
Nope, you really couldn't put any of these cities on the list when you have places like Fort Wayne, IN and Toledo, OH. Although, Buffalo may be fair.
I was thinking Fort Wayne too.
Indianapolis? are you kidding me some people are just beyond stupid.
#1 Indianapolis has its own culture and a big economy for a city its size. 2nd it has suburbs just like any other city. Affluent suburbs too that compare to Chicago's naperville and oak brook etc. Carmel and Fishers come to mind along with Zionsville.
Indianapolis is very important to the midwest. its up there along with Columbus Ohio and Kansas City. 2nd only to Chicago and Minneapolis and Detroit.
Heck Indy has a gamma rating in the world cities index.
Indianapolis also has a fair amount of diversity too. plus it doesnt have the major issue of segregation that plagues other major cities like Chicago/Detroit/NYC etc.
2easy Indianapolis is more urban than Charlotte North Carolina so im questing rather you visited Indy and had the expectations that it would be a smaller LA or Chicago......... if thats the case then that indicates a problem with your opinion. however only you can answer that for me.
And finally R small take your sterotypes somewhere else. not welcomed on this thread.
Broadrippleguy--I've only been to Indianapolis once (many moons ago) and I didn't see much of a city. Just a little downtown section surrounded by semi-suburban neighborhoods of single family houses. I didn't see any interesting urban neighborhoods like you see in other mid-western cities like Chicago, St. Louis, or Cincinnatti. If you can point me to some interesting neighborhoods I'll scope them out with the google street-view. And if I like what I see I'll say so. Also, as an old Baltimore Colts fan, everytime I hear "Indianapolis" I get a bad taste in my mouth. Though I realise that moving the team was basically the doing of the late unlamented Robert Irsay (the Colts' owner at the time).
Broadrippleguy--I've only been to Indianapolis once (many moons ago) and I didn't see much of a city. Just a little downtown section surrounded by semi-suburban neighborhoods of single family houses. I didn't see any interesting urban neighborhoods like you see in other mid-western cities like Chicago, St. Louis, or Cincinnatti. If you can point me to some interesting neighborhoods I'll scope them out with the google street-view. And if I like what I see I'll say so. Also, as an old Baltimore Colts fan, everytime I hear "Indianapolis" I get a bad taste in my mouth. Though I realise that moving the team was basically the doing of the late unlamented Robert Irsay (the Colts' owner at the time).
have you been to Indianapolis recently?
thought so. then dont comment on a city you havent been to recently.
Recently being the past 5 years or so.
the Indianapolis of the 1970s-80s is not the Indianapolis were talking about today.
And google streetview is not 100% accurate. come visit for your own two eyes and see how Indy has changed
not good with google maps but i think you get the point. Indy especially in Center Township has some very urban neighborhoods. and no urban does not mean manhattan urban thats a different catergory and different discussion
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