Extending city borders (live, better, compare, bigger)
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I guess this makes more sense as the further down you go down the list of large cities the less extreme area you would need to eclipse the next largest city
In most cases, probably. Though if some cities have small suburbs it might take the whole metro.
Is a whole bunch, the suburbs here are really small land area wise. Most are in Delaware County PA, Montgomery County PA, and Camden Cuunty NJ. Sort of building out from the city
I did this calculation like a year ago in a SF/Philly thread I did it by connected zip codes extending out though come to think of it I think it was actually at about 200 total sq miles
Actually looks to be somewhere around 205 to 210 sq miles so an add of 70 sq miles to eclipse present day Houston or about 1/3rd the current land area of Houston in total
Also Peak Philadelphia population in the 135 sq miles was nearly idential to the current day Houston population in the 600 sq miles of Houston. Two cities dramtically different in development type though
Of course there is no "next largest" city to NYC in the United States. But it is, at least according to Wiki, still only the 3rd largest city in the Western Hemisphere, with about 700,000 less than Mexico City, and 2.6 million les than the No. 1 city, Sao Paolo.
To be the biggest city in North America, we'd have to annex all of Westchester Country. And to be the biggest in the Western Hemisphere, we'd have to annex Westchester, plus Nassau County (part of Long Island) and Hudson County NJ (Jersey City, Hoboken, et al).
Of course we annexed our neighbors in 1898 to get the five boroughs of NYC . I dont see anyone else clamoring to be part of NYC. We're done on that front, unlike some cities with a lot of unicorporated land around that can be annexed.
Still, it makes you realize how small the biggest city in the US is when compared to the densest, most populous cities in the developing world.
For Boston it would be 2 sq miles to surpass Memphis, only adding Chelsea. INtrestingly enough, Boston is growing faster than Memphis.
or adding 5.5 sq miles (Cambridge) it jumps Memphis, El Paso and Detroit.
wouldn't have you been able to get more bang for your buck had you gone in a southeast direction all the way in to Orange county? Incorporating all them hills to the north adds to the area needed, remember the point of this thread is to try to use the least amount of land to achieve an eclipse
That's true, I guess I was just thinking it would be too unrealistic for LA to annex something outside of LA county.
Houston is at 2147K
Chicago is at 2707K
Thats a difference of 560.
The Problem is that most of the areas around Houston are informally called areas, they are not actually cities. You could probably use Beltway 8 as a Guide. There are a little over 3M people living in the Beltway. That would include most of Houston, Pasadena, Bellaire, West U and The Memorial Villages, Galena Park, Aldine etc.
So the 600 sq mile loop (30 miles by 20 miles) contain 3M people
The Western portion of the Beltway plus the Katy area gets you to the 2.7M people but is still far larger than Chicago in land area (about 450 sq miles)
Incidentally, there are 2M people living in the Houston metro in unincorporated areas (not belonging to any city) They are Extraterritorial residents. I call them aliens.
Houston and its ETJ residents make up 4.2M people, the other 2M are non Houston cities. For Houston to match the City Two above it, it would need almost all of its Urban area (4.9M people in 1660 sq miles).
To Get to NY's Population we will need he entire metro and then still need 2M more people
Actually looks to be somewhere around 205 to 210 sq miles so an add of 70 sq miles to eclipse present day Houston or about 1/3rd the current land area of Houston in total
Also Peak Philadelphia population in the 135 sq miles was nearly idential to the current day Houston population in the 600 sq miles of Houston. Two cities dramtically different in development type though
I always found that so intriguing about Houston and its city limits..with a whopping 600sq mi it has a pop of 2.1 million people...while Chicago has 2.7 million with 227sq mi and Philly has 1.6 with 135sq mi. As you said they're dramatically developed differently of course..but what the hell would the pop of Philly and Chicago be if they were extended to 600sq mi? or rather if Houston was down to 135sq mi or 227sq mi? (its rhetorical, however feel free if you want)
Houston is at 2147K
Chicago is at 2707K
Thats a difference of 560.
The Problem is that most of the areas around Houston are informally called areas, they are not actually cities. You could probably use Beltway 8 as a Guide. There are a little over 3M people living in the Beltway. That would include most of Houston, Pasadena, Bellaire, West U and The Memorial Villages, Galena Park, Aldine etc.
So the 600 sq mile loop (30 miles by 20 miles) contain 3M people
The Western portion of the Beltway plus the Katy area gets you to the 2.7M people but is still far larger than Chicago in land area (about 450 sq miles)
Incidentally, there are 2M people living in the Houston metro in unincorporated areas (not belonging to any city) They are Extraterritorial residents. I call them aliens.
Houston and its ETJ residents make up 4.2M people, the other 2M are non Houston cities. For Houston to match the City Two above it, it would need almost all of its Urban area (4.9M people in 1660 sq miles).
To Get to NY's Population we will need he entire metro and then still need 2M more people
What would be the least amount of land/suburbs of your metro that your city would need to annex in order to eclipse the city right above it in population without leapfrogging? By this meaning you can't just pick any city in the metro, everything has to be interconnected to the main city and whatever suburb you choose and so on
San Francisco + Daly City = 913,949/55 SQMI/density 16,617
At this population it would resurpass Austin, Indianapolis, and Jacksonville.
Thanx this is exactly the kind of information I was hoping to get from this thread
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