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Old 10-22-2012, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Nob Hill, San Francisco, CA
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Comparing SF and LA. All things being equal (assuming) since they are in the same state, same laws, same tax incentives, same state that was hit hard by the economy, that SF bounced back with higher gain than LA, despite 10 million less people. I'm saying that within just CA, people graduating from engineering and CS programs from say UCLA, Cal Tech, USC are being brought into the Bay Area economy. It would take a deeper look, but it isn't the first time I've heard that.

I was just joking with myspace/facebook.
Well that's the thing you're not realizing. LA is a blue collar economy and SF Bay Area is a white collar economy. A comparison between the two is already apples to oranges because of how different their economies are. TBH there's also ignorance that blue collar economies fail, look at the richest blue collar city in the US, Houston. It has a per capita income that dwarfs its white collar rivals like Atlanta and is only behind SF Bay Area, DC, NYC, and Seattle tied with Boston. An economy if invested in properly can thrive, even if its blue collar. LA is rebranding and fixing its economy, I can tell you from personal experience that the LA area is aspiring to be the renewable energy capital of the US, much bigger player in tech, and is starting to take notes on biotech and research.

btw, tech isn't as cut and dry as it was 10 years ago. Before it was about the superiority of your product. Nowadays tech is as much about productivity as it is about catching on to popular trends now and predicting what will become popular in the future. Look at TiVo, it's release went ignored for 3 years, finally it caught on fast, and then in a few short lasting years it died. SF Bay Area and Japan are the innovation capitals of the world, not just the superiority of our production but our cachet on trends. LA is already turning a new leaf on its economy of the future.

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Old 10-22-2012, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Nob Hill, San Francisco, CA
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I would opt to live if I couldn't live in NY (Boston and Miami would be the others).

LA has its charms but it's not my kind of town. It is way too autocentric, doesn't have a proper urban core, has crappy nightlife, and a culture that is way too liberal for me. The climate and scenery are great, but climate and scenery don't make a great city. Its prominence is mainly a function of Hollywood and the city's explosive growth due to the massive Mexican immigration of the last 30 years.
EXCUSE ME??

Is there something I'm missing or are you really suggesting Miami is less autocentric than LA?
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:53 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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EXCUSE ME??

Is there something I'm missing or are you really suggesting Miami is less autocentric than LA?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he was weighing more the nightlife in regards to Miami
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:23 PM
 
Location: LBC
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he was weighing more the nightlife in regards to Miami
I'm going out on a limb and saying he hasn't spent much time here.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:54 PM
 
Location: NYC
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EXCUSE ME??

Is there something I'm missing or are you really suggesting Miami is less autocentric than LA?
No I am not suggesting that. But I prefer the cultural flavor and atmosphere of Miami. I like the beaches and the warm ocean, the nightlife, the vertical lifestyle (at least along the coast), and I love South Beach. I also think you get a much better bang for the buck in FL.

California no doubt has a degree of depth and sophistication that's lacking in FL, but it is just not a great fit for me culturally or geographically.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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No I am not suggesting that. But I prefer the cultural flavor and atmosphere of Miami. I like the beaches and the warm ocean, the nightlife, the vertical lifestyle (at least along the coast), and I love South Beach. I also think you get a much better bang for the buck in FL.
This is how I feel about the two compared to one another.

What I like about Miami, actually all of my top like 7 favorite cities with the exception of Washington is how they utilize a large water front and build around it. It's that way in Chicago, New York, Boston, Seattle, Miami, & San Francisco.

It's sort of beautiful how a downtown can come to an end right there along a shoreline of some sort. I've always wondered why Los Angeles built itself inland (downtown) because it had so much potential if it were more along the coast. It's one detractor for me. I also happen to agree with the "better bang for the buck" statement too. Miami is a very reasonably priced place for everything you get and the eccentricity, uniqueness, energy, vibe, & setting are fantastic.

Also if it means anything, I like skylines on large bodies of water. Somewhere like Brickell Key or Miami Beach is just beautiful in my opinion. In Chicago I lived in River North & it's just a very beautiful view of the skyline & Lake Michigan. Breathtaking you could say.

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Old 10-23-2012, 11:00 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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This is how I feel about the two compared to one another.

What I like about Miami, actually all of my top like 7 favorite cities with the exception of Washington is how they utilize a large water front and build around it. It's that way in Chicago, New York, Boston, Seattle, Miami, & San Francisco.

It's sort of beautiful how a downtown can come to an end right there along a shoreline of some sort. I've always wondered why Los Angeles built itself inland (downtown) because it had so much potential if it were more along the coast. It's one detractor for me. I also happen to agree with the "better bang for the buck" statement too. Miami is a very reasonably priced place for everything you get and he eccentricity, uniqueness, energy, vibe, & setting are fantastic.

Also if it means anything, I like skylines on large bodies of water. Somewhere like Brickell Key or Miami Beach is just beautiful in my opinion. In Chicago I lived in River North & it's just a very beautiful view of the skyline & Lake Michigan. Breathtaking you could say.
Well, the easy answer is fresh water. You needed that to establish a city and that's where you grow from.

LA's non-shoreline bits just northeast from downtown with their hills and little valleys are fantastic though and the view of the city from up in the hills and mountains are amazing.

LA could have and should have been so much more. If it had kept much of its built form from its boom years in the early 20th century as well as some of its subsequent construction, then LA would be the best of all worlds. A climactically and geographically blessed urban, walkable city. I'm just grateful that downtown LA has been able to have the turnaround it's had in recent years, but it always seem like there could have been so much more.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: NYC/LA
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It's sort of beautiful how a downtown can come to an end right there along a shoreline of some sort. I've always wondered why Los Angeles built itself inland (downtown) because it had so much potential if it were more along the coast. It's one detractor for me. I also happen to agree with the "better bang for the buck" statement too. Miami is a very reasonably priced place for everything you get and the eccentricity, uniqueness, energy, vibe, & setting are fantastic.
There is a reason why LA (Downtown) is where it is, and it makes perfect sense. It's discussed in this thread: https://www.city-data.com/forum/los-a...ilt-along.html
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Spain
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Does anyone have a link to that "all the most powerful city lists rolled into one" list that used to circle around this board frequently? It's green. I can't seem to find it using the search function...
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: The City
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Does anyone have a link to that "all the most powerful city lists rolled into one" list that used to circle around this board frequently? It's green. I can't seem to find it using the search function...
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