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Old 10-19-2012, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Why the Chicago vs. LA **** fest?

Im from one and lived in the other. They are both wonderful cities. Chicago has is more corporate but LA is more international. If this list is based on finance, it would make sense that Chicago is out front, but I don't think that discounts LA.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Crying babies need to read this

America has Unfavorable opinion of Los Angeles. Guess your behavior in this forum is probably an indication LOL

"The most unpopular is Detroit, which only 22% see positively and 49% negatively.
Americans have net-negative impressions of only two other of these cities: Oakland, CA
(21-39) and Los Angeles (33-40)."



http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p..._US_042012.pdf

This is quite "global", isn't it?

Detroit, LA on the list of the most hated cities in the world - Sacramento Budget Travel | Examiner.com
Er, how does this change the fact that Los Angeles' GDP is $900 Billion and Chicagoland is 5th behind NY, LA, DC and The Bay Area?
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Except L.A. beats Chicago in more than just that one area (manufacturing, international trade). Not as important as accounting firm office space, but kinda a big deal for some.

PS - If you include the larger metropolitan areas of Paris and London they surpass Chicago in GDP as well. (18montclair has the graph on that one).
Ahh fantastic point.

And if you do metro gdp, people can stop saying the "LA is the 3rd largest GDP in the world" .. b/c London and Paris surpasses LA as well.

source: McKinsey and PriceWaterHouseCoopers both confirm this.

But as you should know GDP isn't the end all, hence for North America why Mexico City and Toronto are more important than Houston and Dallas.

Hence why if we look globally, which is what this thread is about "global importance", Madrid, Barcelona, Rome or Milan are more important than (Insert random Chinese industrial city)

Hence why tiny little Palo Alto is able to crack the top 50, and smaller cities like The Hague and Geneva are probably up there somewhere as well.

Though if you looked at just GDP you would think otherwise.

Chicago is an elite player in the global economy.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: NYC
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I guess that call won't be coming anytime soon, huh?

Maybe GaWC can make a list for this category. Chicago does well here:

Chicago: ”The Deadliest Global City” « Pat Dollard
That's the sound of poor Raymond shooting blanks.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Chandler, you remind me of Chandler Bing from Friends. I miss that show


The Best of Chandler Bing - YouTube
Yeah... I think of the Big Sleep.

The Big Sleep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or maybe Raymond Chandler Square @ Cahuenga and Hollywood Blvd. (note: NOT named after the poster )
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:40 AM
 
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Er, how does this change the fact that Los Angeles' GDP is $900 Billion and Chicagoland is 5th behind NY, LA, DC and The Bay Area?
In my opinion CSA GDP is very misleading.

Baltimore is a completely separate city/metro from DC. Though they are only ~40 miles apart, they function independently. Nobody in their right mind would say Baltimore has a higher GDP than Chicago.

Same goes with the Bay Area, while San Jose and San Fran are more connected than Baltimore and DC, they are still ~40 miles apart, and two separate metro areas.

Chicago is without a doubt, the center of Chicagoland, there is no other city 40 miles away adding a significant amount of money to the region. I think that is pretty significant, Chicago is a beast on it's own.
Chicagoland has an "all roads lead to Chicago" (this is taken literally if you look at a map of Chicago highways/transit) mentality that DC or San Fran just do not have.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Crying babies need to read this

America has Unfavorable opinion of Los Angeles. Guess your behavior in this forum is probably an indication LOL

"The most unpopular is Detroit, which only 22% see positively and 49% negatively.
Americans have net-negative impressions of only two other of these cities: Oakland, CA
(21-39) and Los Angeles
(33-40)."



http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p..._US_042012.pdf

This is quite "global", isn't it?

Detroit, LA on the list of the most hated cities in the world - Sacramento Budget Travel | Examiner.com
Makes me like Oakland and Los Angeles even more -
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Except L.A. beats Chicago in more than just that one area (manufacturing, international trade). Not as important as accounting firm office space, but kinda a big deal for some.

PS - If you include the larger metropolitan areas of Paris and London they surpass Chicago in GDP as well. (18montclair has the graph on that one).
It keeps getting removed because we arent allowed to compare North American Cities to Non North American Cities but here is a list from ScrantiX's thread a while back:

2011 GDP
1 New York CSA $1.463 Trillion
2 Los Angeles CSA $902.8 Billion
3 Washington DC CSA $587.1 Billion
4 San Francisco CSA $569.5 Billion
5 Chicago CSA $553.6 Billion
6 Boston CSA $446.5 Billion
7 Houston CSA $420.4 Billion
8 Dallas CSA $405.0 Billion
9 Philadelphia CSA $372.9 Billion
10 Atlanta CSA $290.7 Billion

Here is the difference between these stats for this year and last year's GDP stat from bea.gov :
Houston +$35.8 Billion
Dallas +$28 Billion
San Francisco +$24.6 Billion
Los Angeles +$21.6 Billion
Chicago + $14.6 Billion
Boston +$16.3 Billion
Washington DC +$12.1 Billion
Atlanta +$11.9 Billion
Philadelphia +$6.2 Billion
New York +$3 Billion

As far as other North American cities, Mexico City would be in between Philadelphia and Atlanta, and Toronto is below Atlanta.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Makes me like Oakland and Los Angeles even more -
People in the East tend to be overly concerned with how people perceive them.

Out here its different. That's why we attract creative types and outcasts who are rejected in their oppresively stuffy states, and out here they thrive and succeed.

I know countless people just like that.

So when people in podunk have a negative opinion of an Oakland or an LA, I laugh cause I think of what their places offer by comparison and it never rivals or surpasses what we have here.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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People in the East tend to be overly concerned with how people perceive them.

Out here its different. That's why we attract creative types and outcasts who are rejected in their oppresively stuffy states, and out here they thrive and succeed.

I know countless people just like that.

So when people in podunk have a negative opinion of an Oakland or an LA, I laugh cause I think of what their places offer by comparison and it never rivals or surpasses what we have here.
I think this is a common stereotype of the East and West Coast and they just don't seem to jive that well. There's a lot of podunk in small California cities and many of the further inland communities are like that. I found large parts of LA where I grew up to be incredibly stuffy and uninteresting--though LA does have some great parts. I really don't feel like there's a huge change in how concerned people are about other's perceptions of themselves. In a funny way, it's just as awkwardly self-conscious to try to single oneself out as from the West Coast and therefore relaxed and not concerned about how people perceive you as just the basic driver for having to mention that is a concern for how people perceive you.
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