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No New york used to be way more dangerous than chicago from 70s through early 90s NY used to see 2000+ murders a year chicago only reached around 1200 at its peak.
With NYC having about 3 times the population of Chicago.....
To those saying comparing Chicago to NYC isn't valid are morons plain and simple... Reality is, Chicago is the closest city density wise sq.mile wise and project wise to NYC... Comparing any other city to Chicago in this country other than NYC would be idiotic. Now if we are comparing NYC to Chicago circa 2012, it's no contest... Chicago is miles worse than NYC currently and that Chief Keef movement is spreading like wildfire...
However to those local transplants who have lived here for six months and now consider themselves resident experts of how the city was 20-40 years ago, why don't you leave that for those natives who were born and raised here... What the OP is talking about isn't about the projects but the city overall... Seventhfloor is correct that CHA was worse than NYCHA in its heyday but notice that is not what revis was saying... He's talking about overall crime throughout the city and @ nei your comment comparing murder rates where chicago was at 34 per 100,000 while NYC was 31 per 100,000. That's true but what's also true is that the NYC population was always at least double or triple the size of Chicago's. So while their sq. mile radius is nearly identifal (about 240 sq.miles for chicago to about 300 sq. mile for NYC)... NYC probably had more than double the amount of homicides of Chicago in its heyday... For example, if we were to use 1991 as an example... The murder rate reached its peak I believe at somewhere around 2200 murders in NYC with a population approaching 7 million (Roughly around 6.6million). Likewise, if the peak for Chicago was in 1991 as well and it's population was around 2 million then at a murder rate of 34 per 100,000 680 people would have been murdered... That as opposed to NYC's 2200... You really cannot understand the ****hole that was NYC during the crack days...
Chief Keef movement ? Lol
Actually Chicago is far closer in population to Philadelphia than New York City and has about the same population density.
NYC as a whole was more dangerous. Upper Manhattan, South Bronx and East Queens/Brooklyn where a literals zoo during the 80's.
Now, Chicago's individual projects where something else. Cabrini-Green & Robert Taylor Homes where renowned for the sheer amount of **** that went down there.
There is a reason ALL Chicago's high-rise projects were demolished. That should be enough. NYC has such a shortage of affordable hosing and projects even close to Manhattan. It remain sought after and handed down to generations. Chicago had no shortage but if you made little money $$$. Projects were a choice. Just as gangs in Chicago hoods are worst. So too were the projects hood gang turf.
I always believed their removal was to blame for the Utica in gang violence that really occurred a few years ago. More dispersion of them.
But again...... being gone. Chicago's are just history. I was surprised though, that Carbine-Green was the last one demolished. Being closest to downtown and some f the wealthiest parts. It now is getting new high-rises. Not for the poor.
There is a reason ALL Chicago's high-rise projects were demolished. That should be enough. NYC has such a shortage of affordable hosing and projects even close to Manhattan. It remain sought after and handed down to generations. Chicago had no shortage but if you made little money $$$. Projects were a choice. Just as gangs in Chicago hoods are worst. So too were the projects hood gang turf.
I always believed their removal was to blame for the Utica in gang violence that really occurred a few years ago. More dispersion of them.
But again...... being gone. Chicago's are just history. I was surprised though, that Carbine-Green was the last one demolished. Being closest to downtown and some f the wealthiest parts. It now is getting new high-rises. Not for the poor.
I'm located in Chicago. In a book that I once read, the authors wrote that Chicago's high-rise public housing projects were 'public aid penitentiaries.'
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