Help us rank our ideal midwest cities. Indy, Chicago, Cincy, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, etc (compared, bigger)
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Cincinnati has one of the best amusement parks in the world, currently cincinnati is building lots of lofts and condos downtown, we are very close to Indy only a hour and a half, next year we will have the worlds largest health care center...or something like that...we have the reds and bengals, we are currently building a dtreetcar system and soon a light rail that will go all around cincy in about 5-10 years....probalby 6 years, we have lots of saftey in the walkable areas like mount adams that overlooks cincinnati and is on top of many hills with views you would love to see of cincinnati and its very very safe and liberal and yes you will feel safe, again we will soon have the worlds largest health care thing. and we have a very low cost of living.
What do you mean "world's largest health care center"? Like largest hospital complex??
This is news to me, but would be a huge deal to Cincy, I'd think!
Just a clarification: while the city of Chicago's unemployment rate is above 9%, the entire metro area is at 8%. Still a lot of people out of work, though...
thats still a problem for a large city like Chicago.
simple math and well just use numbers as a comparison.
say 500,000 people work in metro Indy.
now lets say 5,000,000 people work in metro chicago.
if lets say a plant closes and 500 people get laid off.
in Indianapolis that would account for .1% increase in unemployment.
in Chicago that would be .01% increase.
Case n point is Chicago has a chronic unemployment problem and still i hear US Cellular is pulling out of Chicago and slashing 540 jobs.
Chronic unemployment leads to poverty/crime/corruption and so on. its a drain on society and Chicago/Illinois sure isnt helping itself when you raise TAXES in a recession. Not to mention the Pension mess=higher taxes incoming. Thank God Republicans control the house still so dont expect Washington D.C to send a bailout your way. State created problems require state created solutions. running to Washington for money isnt an option.
Mitch Daniels on the other hand has turned Indiana's deficit into a surplus and propelled us into the 5th best business climate in the country and #1 in the midwest. Illinois is dead last in the midwest and 48th nationally.
thats still a problem for a large city like Chicago.
simple math and well just use numbers as a comparison.
say 500,000 people work in metro Indy.
now lets say 5,000,000 people work in metro chicago.
if lets say a plant closes and 500 people get laid off.
in Indianapolis that would account for .1% increase in unemployment.
in Chicago that would be .01% increase.
Case n point is Chicago has a chronic unemployment problem and still i hear US Cellular is pulling out of Chicago and slashing 540 jobs.
Chronic unemployment leads to poverty/crime/corruption and so on. its a drain on society and Chicago/Illinois sure isnt helping itself when you raise TAXES in a recession. Not to mention the Pension mess=higher taxes incoming. Thank God Republicans control the house still so dont expect Washington D.C to send a bailout your way. State created problems require state created solutions. running to Washington for money isnt an option.
Mitch Daniels on the other hand has turned Indiana's deficit into a surplus and propelled us into the 5th best business climate in the country and #1 in the midwest. Illinois is dead last in the midwest and 48th nationally.
What you just demonstrated is that one large company getting axed or relocating from Indy could cause a micro economic depression there, while Chicago could easily handle the loss of several major employers. This is why markets the size of NY, Chicago or DC have lower office vacancies and more demand/less risk than most markets, because there's little risk of a glut of space occurring.
BTW, politics shouldn't be discussed in forums like this, but the fact that Indiana is perpetually a red state is what makes it the least Midwestern, Northern or progressive state, IMO!
thats still a problem for a large city like Chicago.
simple math and well just use numbers as a comparison.
say 500,000 people work in metro Indy.
now lets say 5,000,000 people work in metro chicago.
if lets say a plant closes and 500 people get laid off.
in Indianapolis that would account for .1% increase in unemployment.
in Chicago that would be .01% increase.
Case n point is Chicago has a chronic unemployment problem and still i hear US Cellular is pulling out of Chicago and slashing 540 jobs.
Chronic unemployment leads to poverty/crime/corruption and so on. its a drain on society and Chicago/Illinois sure isnt helping itself when you raise TAXES in a recession. Not to mention the Pension mess=higher taxes incoming. Thank God Republicans control the house still so dont expect Washington D.C to send a bailout your way. State created problems require state created solutions. running to Washington for money isnt an option.
Mitch Daniels on the other hand has turned Indiana's deficit into a surplus and propelled us into the 5th best business climate in the country and #1 in the midwest. Illinois is dead last in the midwest and 48th nationally.
If employment is the big worry, then the sensible thing to do is to look around for the specific positions they are going for and compare against that rather than talking about things in just blanket terms. Unemployment does not hit every sector even within the same city in the same way.
Agreed.
However if the OP doesnt have the money than Minneapolis/Staying in Indy would be the OP's best bet.
Downtown Indianapolis is very affordable. more so than similar sized/bigger cities. Plus as the OP mentioned you could live in Fall Creek Place. Its a very nice neighborhood that was just revitalized and rebuilt.
Minneapolis is the second most expensive metro in the Midwest but it also has the highest pay scale so in relative terms it is not that expensive. When you also factor in the availability of jobs it is a very easy place to live in general. That is why it is always the fastest or second fastest growing metro in the Midwest in absolute population terms terms despite the weather.
Minneapolis, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh have the best economies of the three.
Cincinnati seems like your best choice if you want to stay close to home. You actually have cool city neighborhoods that are all walkable (Clifton, CUF, Columbia-Tusculum, Hyde Park, Walnut Hills, OTR and the inner-ring suburb of Norwood is right on city limits with a plethora of shopping options like Rookwood Commons). You have a great food scene, a city that is going through billions in new development all over the place, not just concentrated in one area of the city. It has a great topography with amazing city neighborhoods built up in the hills, and shopping and entertainment are close by in downtown or in the suburbs like Kenwood which is only about 10 minutes from downtown in non-rush hour traffic. I really like some of the big new mixed-use developments that are happening in Cincy like Mercer Commons in OTR. Cincinnati's awesome park system: Washington Park was an amazing new park in OTR surrounded by some of the country's best architecture and was filled with families, young couples, a great amphitheatre and fountains, and a nice dog park. The whole time I marveled at Washington Park and the architecture, I just kept imagining in a few years a streetcar (which is under construction currently) going past the beautiful Music Hall and looking back towards a dense central business district. I really like Fountain Square downtown and the billion dollar development connecting Cincinnati's riverfront parks to the central riverfront between the two downtown stadiums. Eden Park is probably one of the best urban parks I have seen which is close to Mount Adams and the Cincinnati Art Museum, Cincinnati Playhouse, Krohn Conservatory, sit directly inside the park. I love the history and culture of Cincinnati... and I am a big foodie and Cincinnati has plenty of it. Cincinnati has an extremely diverse economy (lots of fortune 500 companies), and a really good medical-based economy. I know Cincinnati Childrens is in the top 3 in the nation. Lots of really good public schools and universities (UC, Xavier).
Quick question, and don't want to sway you away from your choices, but have you looked into Cleveland? Good economy, world-renowned medical facilities in the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals, billions of new construction going on just around these facilities alone, diverse city neighborhoods, rapid rail transit, a great park system, and so much more. If you're into sports, the Gateway District and East Fourth street downtown cater to the Cavs and Indians while the Warehouse District downtown is a popular spot during Browns games.
Minneapolis is the second most expensive metro in the Midwest but it also has the highest pay scale so in relative terms it is not that expensive. When you also factor in the availability of jobs it is a very easy place to live in general. That is why it is always the fastest or second fastest growing metro in the Midwest in absolute population terms terms despite the weather.
Indianapolis and Minneapolis are duking it out for those titles.
last 10 years Indianapolis had the 2nd best economy in the midwest 2nd only to the twin cities.
Indianapolis was the faster growing city though.
Ironically both cities have polis the greek word for city and both are the leaders of their states.
Indy is the capital but St Paul is right next door to Minneapolis so its all one area.
What you just demonstrated is that one large company getting axed or relocating from Indy could cause a micro economic depression there, while Chicago could easily handle the loss of several major employers. This is why markets the size of NY, Chicago or DC have lower office vacancies and more demand/less risk than most markets, because there's little risk of a glut of space occurring.
BTW, politics shouldn't be discussed in forums like this, but the fact that Indiana is perpetually a red state is what makes it the least Midwestern, Northern or progressive state, IMO!
Funny you mention that.
The Southern US states are the fastest growing and most prospering states.
NY state lost 2 congressional seats.
Illinois lost one.
Michigan lost one.
Ohio lost 2
Pennslyvania lost one.
All these states are blue leaning states.
Red State:
Indiana stayed the same.
Texas gained 4.
Flordia gained 2
South Carolina gained 1
Ironic the red states are getting the jobs from the blue states.
30 businesses from Indiana's neighboring states have relocated into the Hoosier state in the past year and a half.
Most of them coming from Illinois after they raised taxes on people and businesses.
so please lets not argue politics here unless it pertains to the political climate of the city.
In that case the OP/me and a few others know how Conservative Indy is over Minneapolis/Chicago and other midwestern cities
The Southern US states are the fastest growing and most prospering states.
NY state lost 2 congressional seats.
Illinois lost one.
Michigan lost one.
Ohio lost 2
Pennslyvania lost one.
All these states are blue leaning states.
Red State:
Indiana stayed the same.
Texas gained 4.
Flordia gained 2
South Carolina gained 1
Ironic the red states are getting the jobs from the blue states.
30 businesses from Indiana's neighboring states have relocated into the Hoosier state in the past year and a half.
Most of them coming from Illinois after they raised taxes on people and businesses.
so please lets not argue politics here unless it pertains to the political climate of the city.
In that case the OP/me and a few others know how Conservative Indy is over Minneapolis/Chicago and other midwestern cities
You just quoted someone who said politics should not be discussed here, and continued to talk politics. Being red/blue doesn't matter. Our governor is a Republican governor who is probably the best Republican governor in the nation right now.
For instance, lets look at Ohio vs Indiana:
-Ohio has a lower unemployment rate than Indiana
-Ohio has more than four times the amount of fortune 500 companies than Indiana, but not even twice the population (we continue to add more)
-Columbus is growing more than twice as fast as Indianapolis
-Ohio's economy is much more diverse than Indiana's
Ohio created more jobs year-over-year than any other state in the nation outside of Texas, California, and New York. We have managed to bring our unemployment rate down to 7% STILL with a GROWING labor force. Indiana sits at 8.2%. Don't tell me unemployment rates mean nothing because you are always talking about how terrible Chicago's unemployment rate is. Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus all have lower unemployment rates than Indianapolis, and more fortune 500 companies. Columbus, Cincinnati, and Cleveland's fortune 500 companies are actually more powerful than the ones that call Indianapolis home. Also, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Cleveland have all created more jobs than Indianapolis in the last 6 months:
Out of those "blue" states in the overall scheme of things from economy, recreational opportunities, cultural offerings, etc... Yeah, I would take Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York out of all the red states you just mentioned. And as a former Floridian, I can attest to the differences in current economic situations.
Links and facts matter, not an opinion based as a fact.
I was just thinking, given what the criteria is, why not put Cleveland on the list? It's fairly close to Indianapolis, has some of the top clinics in the world, has several walkable and safe neighborhoods, and has probably better transit than any of the other cities listed.
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